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HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION MEETING
July 15, 2020
7:00 P.M.
Chairwoman Mino called the meeting to order via Zoom at 7:03 p.m.
Present: Chairwoman Mino, Commissioners Finwall, Heimdahl, Krakowski, Larson, Thueson,
Walls, Council Representative Dunker
Absent: None
Staff: City Planner Wittman
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Possible approval of minutes of June 17, 2020 Meeting
Chairwoman Mino pointed out a typo on page 2, full paragraph 13, "content" should be "context."
Motion by Commissioner Walls, seconded by Commissioner Heimdahl, to approve the minutes of the June 17,
2020 meeting with the correction. Motion passed 6-0-1 with Commissioner Krakowski abstaining.
OPEN FORUM
There were no public comments.
CONSENT AGENDA
Case No. 202D-1$; Consid-era Lion_ora Design Permit for a new hanging sign to be Iocated Ott 226
Chestnut Strut East. Gartner Proper LLC property owner. Ron Brenner Architects, application.
Motion by Commissioner Krakowski, seconded by Commissioner Walls, to adopt the Consent Agenda. All
in favor.
PUBLIC HEARING
Case No. 2020-17: ConsideraLion —o-fa_Design Permit for a new residence at 905 1st St N in the
Neighborhood Conserva ion District. Michael —an rl r e w rs ner
Architects, ali.cant.
Ms. Wittman explained the rase. The applicants have requested a Design Permit to cnn.strurt a 2.5
story single family residence with a two -car, front -facing attached garage to be set back from the front
entry/porch by 10'. The home will have fiber cement or LP board and batten siding, horizontal lap
siding, and white painted shingles. Standing seam metal shed roofs will be used on the porch, above
the garage door, and on single story additions in the east facing rear of the home. Staff recommends
approval with six conditions.
Chairwoman Mino opened the public hearing.
Tom O'Brien, 904 1st St N, inquired whether water service will be extended to the site.
Ms. Wittman responded that the applicant was granted permission to install a well.
Chairwoman Mino closed the public hearing.
Architect Ron Brenner explained the architectural design and offered to answer questions.
Commissioner Heimdahl asked if flowers on the site will be preserved.
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Mr. Brenner said they will keep as much native landscaping as possible.
Chairwoman Mino asked if grass will be planted below the deck.
Michael Cairl, applicant, replied there will be patio area directly under the deck.
Commissioner Larson commended the applicants and architect on the conformance to design
guidelines.
Commissioner Finwall asked if any variances will be required.
Ms. Wittman replied no. The house conforms to all zoning restrictions and setbacks.
Commissioner Finwall asked what the rails around the deck will be made of because the appearance
is rather modern looking.
Mr. Brenner said they are investigating railing options. It might end up being a vertical system.
Hopefully there is flexibility to make that choice later. They want the rail to be as transparent as
possible.
Commissioner Larson remarked that the HPC has allowed a variety of railing systems. From a
distance the massing looks as it should. The goal is not to make all new houses look like they are old
houses.
Councilmember Junker asked if the project will go to the Planning Commission regarding water
runoff.
City Planner Wittman replied no. The applicants will have to comply with Middle St. Croix Water
Management Organization stormwater infiltration requirements via a rain garden or similar system.
That will be reviewed by the engineering department at time of building permitting.
Motion by Commissioner Thueson, seconded by Commissioner Finwall, to approve Case No. 2020-17,
Design Permit for new residence at 905 1st St N, with the six staff -recommended conditions. All in favor.
NEW BUSINESS
Case No. 2020-19: Consideration of a Site Alteration (Design) Permit For en ry door system
rehabilitation Qr rgplacement andHVAC unit installation at 107 Chestnut Street East in the Stillwater
Commercial Historic District. CVI1 Holdings. LLC, property ownerand_applicant.
City Planner Wittman explained that the applicant is requesting approval of a Site Alteration (Design)
Permit for entry door system rehabilitation or replacement and HVAC unit installation. The entry
doors will be rehabilitated or replaced using one of the following options: new rode compliant,
historically replicated, wood clad doors under the existing stone transom infill; or new code
compliant, historically replicated, wood clad doors under new transom window; or rehabilitation of
the existing system. On the west side, an aluminum clad wood door will be installed with design
similar to the front. Four, 16" by 37" and 31" tall ductless heat pump systems located on the flat
portion of the roof will serve the residential units. The commercial units will be served by one 15-ton
commercial condensing unit on the south side of the building; one 20" tall fresh air hood on the
northeast corner of the existing garage; and one 42" tall exhaust fan on the southwest corner of the
existing garage. Staff finds that, with certain conditions, the proposed improvements conform to City
Code and the Downtown Design Review District guidelines and therefore recommends approval with
three conditions.
Commissioner Larson recused himself from the discussion and vote.
Matt Wolf, applicant, stated they considered various locations for the HVAC equipment to be as
visually unobtrusive as possible. They may still move the locations around for the rooftop units above
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the garage but will ensure they are screened from street view. Regarding the options for the entry
doors, they are working with the National Park Service (NPS) and State Historic Preservation Office
(SHPO) to find out what they will find acceptable there.
Chairwoman Mino asked what material is being recommended for screening.
Ms. Wittman said none has been recommended at this time. There is metal flashing on the roof above
the garage. Louvered metal is a standard screening material that is used.
Councilmember Junker asked about the role of the NPS in project review.
Mr. Wolf replied that part of the financing is historic tax credits. The SHPO makes recommendations
to the NPS about Minnesota Standards. Ultimately the NPS has final say because it is a listed building.
Councilmember Junker asked if the building is for sale.
Mr. Wolf replied it is not. He explained that changes in the tax landscape and funding have allowed the
project to move forward.
Commissioner Finwall asked if solar energy is planned to be used.
Mr. Wolf stated that is up to the NPS as part of final approval.
Motion by Commissioner Finwall, seconded by Commissioner Walls, to approve Case No. 2020-19, Site
Alteration Permit for entry door system rehabilitation or replacement and HVAC unit installation at 107
Chestnut St E, with the six staff -recommended conditions.
Commissioner Heimdahl asked if the applicant has a preference for restoring the full glass at the front
entrance or keeping the stone in place.
Mr. Wolf answered that he prefers to replace the stone transom with a window which would bring it
back to a more original look.
Motion passed 6-0-1 with Commissioner Larson abstaining.
There was no old business.
OTHER DISCUSSION ITEMS
HPC Draft Ordinance Review
Ms. Wittman updated the Commission on the draft ordinance and Commissioner comments thus far. She
asked for the Commissioners' thoughts on whether staff should incorporate historic interpretation into the
HPC activities, for example by doing public education pieces or interpretive panels.
Commissioner Thueson commented that the context studies could be shared with more people around these
sites to show how the town evolved. He feels the HPC is probably the best organization to share the story of
the City of Stillwater.
Ms. Wittman stated there could be greater emphasis on providing education about Stillwater's architectural
heritage. The section about education could be expanded to include interpretation, for instance through print
and other media.
Chairwoman Mino agreed with Commissioner Thueson that it makes sense for interpretation to be an
element of the HPC's work.
Ms. Wittman proceeded to discuss major/minor amendments. Currently the City Code allows staff approval
of minor amendments to approved design permits. She asked if there should be a dollar threshold, or should
it be more of a context change?
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Commissioner Finwall pointed out that a dollar threshold removes the ambiguity of staff determination. The
dollar amount could be set by Council resolution, so the dollar amount is not actually in the ordinance itself.
Ms. Wittman agreed that a dollar threshold would probably reduce the ambiguity and remove the burden
from staff of determining what is a major or minor amendment to a permit.
Commissioner Thueson stated perhaps the best formulation might be to state that review would be required
either because the project exceeds a certain dollar threshold or because the HPC liaison (staff) deems it to be
a significant change that would require review.
Ms. Wittman addressed the subject of partial demolition. Currently the HPC reviews demolition of historic
resources when it is total demolition. Demolition review also can be triggered by removal of more than 20%
of the front facade or more than 50% of the total fagade. But some applicants are really skilled at making
sure they stay just underneath the threshold. She asked what should trigger partial demolition review.
Councilmember Junker remarked that one year a homeowner may do 25% of the back, the next year they do
25% of the front, and pretty soon it is almost total demolition piecemealed, without any review.
Consensus of the Commission was that partial demolition should trigger some sort of HPC review.
Commissioner Finwall said maybe the HPC should also review additions that expand a certain percent of a
home.
Commissioner Larson agreed that would be a good thing for review. There is a trend toward small,
potentially historic homes getting gigantic additions which could have as big an impact as demolition.
Ms. Wittman said she will work with the City Attorney on language to give the HPC a role in reviewing
some of the alterations discussed even if they are not truly demolition. She is trying to pull language about
total demolition away from language about alterations in the ordinance. She asked, should the threshold
triggering HPC review remain 20% of the front and 50% of total? Or 20% overall no matter where it is?
Commissioner Walls suggested 20% of the total, and maybe 50% alterations done over the course of three
years, to alleviate the scenario brought up by Councilmember Junker.
Commissioner Thueson said since the HPC looks at four sided design on new construction, looking at a
certain threshold on every fagade makes sense.
FYI
Ms. Wittman stated that the engineering department is looking at constructing a limestone wall at the Main
Street stairs. Regarding the Commander grain elevator, an entire sheet of metal was removed so the word
Commander is split, and from afar it looks like a massive opening. However she believes the owner intends
to get the metal back up so the Commander name is put back.
Chairwoman Mino mentioned a new house being built on Churchill Street where the HPC approved a
demolition last year - the house is very big. Ms. Wittman said she will keep monitoring the project.
ADJOURNMENT
Motion by Commissioner Larson, seconded by Commissioner K
was adjourned at 8:16 p.m.
ATTEST:
Abbi Wit an, City Planner
ki, to adjourn. All in favor. The meeting
Chairwoman
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