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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1982-03-17 JPC MINMinutes of the Joint Powers Committee March 17, 1982 STILLWATER HOUSING PARTNERS PUBLIC HEARING MEMBERS PRESENT Ray Senkus, Cathy Buck, Ann Bodlovick, Harry Peterson, William Lundquist STAFF PRESENT Doug Swenson, Dennis O'Donnell, Rhonda Thode OTHERS PRESENT Disc -Moores—fancy Putz, Bruce Folz, John Caldwell, Leonard R. Feely CALL TO ORDER Ann Bodlovick chaired the committee and called the public hearing to order at 5:35 p.m. PUBLIC HEARING John Caldwell, representing Orville E. Madsen, Inc., showed the committee members the site plan for the Charter Oaks Townhomes development reviewing the PUD amendments he was asking for in regards to sideyard setback for garage and building setback from the road for a living unit. Nancy Putz stated her feelings were that it was a little late to do anything now, but felt it should have been the responsibility of the contractors to follow the plan throughout the entire phase. Bodlovick asked Putz if she saw a hardship imposed on her. Putz stated she did not, but that perhaps the committee should be aware that she has moved from her property because of the development. Putz stated she didn't have any arguments on the amendments, most concerned about the maintenance of the grading for the entirety of the driveway. Dick Moore stated he felt fencing, due to the slopes, was important. Caldwell stated a fence has been put up above and beyond what is normally adequate to prevent driving off the slope at night. Caldwell stated if the slope erodes because of failure of proper maintenance, the adjoining property owners have the right to take legal action. Doug Swenson confirmed that statement. Moore stated the plan showing gate valves and service locks and ties has been included with the PUD so if there is snow they can be located, which is of value to the Water Department and the City if they should have to go in there in an emergency. ADJOURNMENT The public hearing was closed at 6:05 p.m. /s/ Dennis O'Donnell T. 1 Minutes of the Joint Powers Committee March 17, 1982 MEMBERS PRESENT William undquist, Ray Senkus, Cathy Buck, Ann Bodlovick, Harry Peterson STAFF PRESENT Doug Swenson, Dennis O'Donnell, Rhonda Thode OTHERS PRESENT Dick Moore, Bruce Folz, John Caldwell CALL TO ORDER Ann Bodlovick chaired the committee and called the meeting to order at 6:05 p.m. APPROVAL OF MINUTES Harry Peterson moved to approve the February 17, 1982 minutes as presented. Ray Senkus seconded. Motion carried unanimously. NEW BUSINESS Cathy Buck oved for approval of the request for the amended planned unit development as submitted in Dennis O'Donnell's letter dated March 10, 1982, and to approve along with the amended PUD the drawing submitted that is dated January 29, 1982, signed by surveyor Joel Anez and co -signed by Richard Moore on February 17, 1982 that indicates utilities on site. Seconded by Harry Peterson, motion passed unanimously. Lundquist initiated the discussion on how to prevent situations of this type from happening in the future. He stated this type of thing has happened in Lake Elmo at least a dozen times. He felt it was important for a surveyor to stay on the job. If stakes are washed away, deliber- ately removed, or missing because of carelessness; the lot should be resurveyed. Folz thought that would cause a tremendous expense for someone who puts a house on a lot, even when its a regular lot. He felt a hardship was being imposed on the 95% of the people who are trying to do it right. He also stated while everyone else is trying to keep housing costs down, an additional expense should not be imposed. Folz strongly felt letting the building inspectors make decisions is.a better way to go. Lundquist thought the expense to the builder to have a surveyor on the job would be far less compared to the cost if an error were made. He felt on new plats a surveyor should verify that they know where the corner of the lots are and where the house is going to go. Folz stated the goal is getting the building in where it should be. If the building inspector is not sure where lot corners are, he should not allow footings to be put in. N Joint Powers - Minutes March 17, 1982 Page 2 Lundquist stated 5% to 10% of the houses in Lake Elmo are misplaced, and that is to manv. Caldwell stated he has seen various instances where adjoining property owners moved stakes on purpose because they don't realize -the legal implications, so unless the surveyor sits on top of his stakes, there is no assurance that the stakes will not be moved. Bodlovick asked O'Donnell what his opinion was. O'Donnell stated he agreed with Bruce Foiz's statements on it being the responsibility of the building inspector, and that it would be difficult to have an engineer or surveyor on every site. Peterson asked Lundquist what has been done in Lake Elmo to prevent this type of thing from happening. Lundquist stated Lake Elmo requires that a surveyor stake the house and verifies it on a drawing. If he has reason be believe the stakes have been moved, the owner is not allowed to build. Moore brought up the point that the Joint Powers area is mostly zoned industrial and construction will mainly be consisting of larger buildngs which are generally laid out by a surveyor. Buck thought it important to try to establish standards so things of this nature can be prevented. Buck wanted to know how other communities dealt with it. Bodlovick asked O'Donnell to check into this and report at the next meeting. Croix ate Concept Plan Bruce Folz showed a committee members the Croixgate preliminary plat explaining that it basically follows the design plans that have been submitted before, and proceeded to outline the three stages in which the project would take place. Folz said a grading and drainage plan would be prepared after the committee gives concept approval and after the feasibility study is completed. Buck asked how different this preliminary plat was from the original PUD. Moore stated the last concept plan was very close to what Bruce has now, except that there are more lots. Discussion centered on a comment in O'Donnell's memorandum to the committee regarding perhaps not allowing the resubdivision of the platted lots into smaller lots at a later date. Folz felt it was unfair to allow some people to resubdivide while not allowing others if all lots meet the minimum requirements of the ordinance. The board asked Swenson for a legal opinion. Swenson stated that the committee as part of plat approval may attach reasonable restrictions as a condition of plat approval. The committee must decide if this would be a reasonable condition. Folz said he would prepare a resubdivision plan. Buck asked if the City of Stillwater has planned this to be sewered. Moore stated yes, that it has always been a part of the Comprehensive Sewer Plan. Senkus asked how Polywater would fit in if they wanted to hook-up. Moore stated they would have to partly pay cost for lift station. I Joint Powers - Minutes March 17, 1982 Page 3 Senkus asked what concept approval legally binds the committee to. Swenson explained it was a step ahead of preliminary plan approval. It means the committee goes along with the layout in general, but the specifics still have to be reviewed. O'Donnell added the board has the authority to require resonable conditions. Folz stated he was looking for enough of a commitment from the Joint Powers Committee so that money could be spent for a feasibility study. Buck mentioned in the Comprehensive Plan some walkways were planned. Moore stated in this plan no walkways were included. Folz thought walkways were not a good move because of security problems. Lundquist asked Moore if he saw a problem with street layout. Moore stated he did not. Folz stated he reviewed O'Donnell's letter and has no problem with it except for the resubdivision concept. Buck questioned how the maintenance people feel about the cul-de-sac. Moore stated maintenance people don't care for any cul-de-sacs, but an industrial one is better than residential, and it would be difficult to do anything else other than a cul-de-sac. Peterson moved that limited concept approval be granted for the purpose of conducting the feasibility study. Seconded by Ray Senkus. Motion passed unanimously. GENERAL DISCUSSION Bodlovick opened the floor for general discussion. No issues were brought up. ADJOURNMENT The meeting adjourned at 7:40 p.m. /s/ Dennis O'Donnell Notice of Public Hearing Notice is hereby given that the Joint Power's Committee will hold a public hearing on: Wednesday, March 17, 1982 5:30 p.m. Washington County Board Room Washington County Courthouse Stillwater, MN The purpose of the public hearing is to consider the request of Stillwater Housing Partners (Charter Oaks Townhomes) for an amendment to their Planned Unit Development permit. The amendment requested is for a reduction in building setbacks as originally proposed. The property is legally discribed as Lot 4, Block 2, Feely's Addition, City of Stillwater, Minnesota. The public is encouraged to attend and testify. Both written and oral statements will be accepted at the hearing. /s/ Dennis O'Donnell Zoning Administrator March 2, 1982