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Home My WebLink About1973-01-09 CC MIN ~ . . ~" STILLWATER SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL AUDITORIUM stillwater, Minnesota January 9, 1973 7,30 P. M. REGULAR MEETING The meeting was called to order by president powell. The Invocation was given by Mr. Marshall. Present; Cou~cilmen Balfanz, Lammers, peterson, Wohlers and President Powell Absent: None Also Present: c:ty Coordinator, Marshall: city Attorney, Kimmel: Superinten- dent of Public works, Shelton: consulting Engineers, Duane Elliott and Len Newquist: Board of Water Commissioners, Harold Foster Citizens: About 125 Press: Stillwater E'~ning Gazette - Myrl Gaffney St. Paul Dispatch - James aroede APPROVAL OF MINt1l'ES On 1'IW)tion of councilman Wohlers. seconded by Councilman Peterson the following minutes were approved: November 2B, 1972 December 12, 1972 December 27. 1972 Regular Meeting Regular Meeting special Meeting 7,30 P. M. 7:30 P. M. 3,00 P. M. At this time president powell presented James F. Lammers with a pen as a token of appreciation for the year of service on the City Council and presented him with a resolution commending him for his service. On motion of Councilman Peterson. seconded by Councilman Balfanz a resolution was introduced "commending James F. Lanners for his years of service". (see resolutions). RESOLUTIONS The following resolution was read and on roll call was unanimously adopted: 1. Commending James F. ~mmers for his years of service on the City council. ADJOURNMENT on motion of councilman Balfanz. seconded by Councilman Wohlers this portion of the meeting adjourned at 7,40 P. M. QJ~~~ Attesx~a-d~ I_a! C~ty Clerk Mayor 411 . . . . . 412 . STILLWATER SENIOR HIGH SCHOOL AUDITORIUM Stillwater, Minnesota January 9, 1973 7:41 P. M. ADJOURNED MEETING The meeting was opened by President Powell City Coordinator, Rayroond Marshall, administered the oath of Office to Councilmen-Elect. Roger A. Peterson and Glenn L. Thompson PRESENT: Councilmen Balfanz, Peterson, Thompson, Wohlers and President Powell Absent: None Also Present: city Coordinator, Marshall, city Attorney, Kimmel: Public Works, Shelton: Consulting Engineers, Duane Len Newquist: Board of Water Commissioners, Harold superintendent Blliott and Foster Citizens: About 125 Press: Stillwater Evening Gazette-Myrl Gaffney St. Paul Dispatch - James Broede SEE KIRBY KENNEDY'S TRANSCRIPT OF THE SIX PUBLIC HEARINGS ATTACHED TO PAGE 409-410 OF THIS MUNUTE BOOK. UNFINISHED BUSINESS MR. ROBERT KELLY appeared before the Council in reference to the Excursion Boat - "JUBILEE" which is proposed to be docked at Lowell Park and they will have all the necessary licenses and permits required as he explained to the council and the Chamber of Conunerce when he met with them last week. On motion of Councilman Balfanz, seconded by councilman Wohlers the Council approved the preliminary plans for the "JUBILEE" Excursion Boat. ORDINANCES First Readings 1. AN ORDINANCE ANNEXING ALL THAT PART OF THE NORTEr. .\ST QUARTER OF SECTION 32, TOWNSHIP 30 NORTH, RANGE 20 WES'l' WHI..:'a LIES OUTSIDE OF THE CORPORA'l'B LIMITS OF THE CITY OF STILDlATER, THE SAME BEING COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BUT NOT INCLUDED WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE CITY OF STILLWATER. 2. AN ORDINANCE ANNEXING PROPERTY LOCATED IN SECTIONS 31 AND 32, TOWNSHIP 30 NORTH, RANGE 20 WEST, WHICH IS COMPLETELY StrRROUNDED 8l11' NOT INCLUDED WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF THE CITY OF STILLWATER. 3. AN ORDINANCE ANNEXING PROPERTY LOCATED IN THE SOUTHEAST QUARTER OF SECTION 32 AND IN THE SOUTHWEST QUARTER OF SECTION 33. TOWNSHIP 30 NORTH, RANGE 20 WEST. WHICH IS NOT INCLUDED WITHIN THE CORPOMTE LIMITS OF THE CITY OF STILLWATER BUT IS SIXTY PERCENT SURROUNDED BY THOSE CORPORATE LIMITS. of ~ lei ~; ....'. " ~ bl ~ij i.I CJ .;,. .... v. . J ~ ] , )< 1 ~{ , i .'~ S. ;1 .~ , :" " .\; fJ :1 ~ ~ ~ }: F~ :* :~i M. ~ t~ .<,~ 'it ~ ';;i ,~ ;:~ ~1 1~ ;'i . . . - ,...., (January 9. 1973 - continued) r RESOLUTIONS The following resolutions were read and on roll call were unanimously adopted: 1. Directing the payment of Bills. 2. Ordering Improvements and preparation of Final Plans and Specifications, Local Improvement Nos. 109-110 and 111-1973. 3. Ordering Improvement and preparation of Final Plans and Specifations, Local Improvement No. 112-1973. n 4. ordering Improvement and preparation of Final plans and Specifications, Local Improvement No. 114-1973. ADJOllRNIlENT I"",~ The meeting adjourned at 11:15 P. M. until 3:30 P. M., Wednesday, January 10, 1973. (Date changed to Friday, January 12, 1973 due to the fact that the members ~re not available on January 10th). d/h:H/Q~ Mayor Atte~ (JuI~0!$ City Clerk OJ - 413 · - 1 I N D E X 2 3 TITLE„s 4 - Local Improvement No. 112 _a Commencement.,, *...•.tit_.w. ..,..�,. *..:_: +,ws.,.,..• 5 5 Resolution passed. ,'.n...`:. , . .. ;.:..,�' ;, , 73 6 „, = Local %provement No 109 Cti encement, .. , . ,....... ... ...... w,, . . ,.... ? Resolution 9 8 9 Local Improvement�.No 10 Gommeneement.. , . , : • 0 0 0. D . 4 s *,A t `0 0 0. Resolution passed, . .... • .:. . w'iF.s... �.` • . »; . Y , 11 _ Local No -111 r. 12 .., . _Improvement :,;M Commencement,, .. ,� ..., .......:. «...... .. » .. .. • 1.43 Resolttion_ passed »»w....00'w'►�....,..,..�. «.:. 1457 13 14 Local Improvement No 113 146 15 Resolut. passed. n _Co�nued) 16 LOCI Improvement No. 114 ; 17 Commencement. « .... . , ... , . w . w +! ........� , ....: lQ Replutisn< passed .,•,....,..►....,:aw. ».�." `1s 19 " 20 21 22 23 24 25 . '. `- KIRBY A. KENNEDY — OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET,STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 BUSINESS TEL. 439. -3220" EXT. 302 _. " '- - RESIDENCE. 439- 71:47. 0, 2 CITY OF STILLWATER 3 4 CITY' COUNCIL MEETING 5 6 January 9, 1973 7 8 9 Senior: Hi. h School Aud � um" 11 Stillwater, Minnesota � 12 - 13y; Az 2K 14 1973 IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM ,. 15:.. 16 LOCAL IMPROVEMENT NUMBERS- - 9 —I-XA- 17 } 1s F 19 20 21 22 23 24- 25 kfRBYA. KENNEDY - .OFFICIA L COURT RE RTER 21.0 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 . -+ BUSINESS TEL. 489 -3220 , EXT. 302 - RESIDENCE 439.7147 The above = entitled 1973 Improvement Prcgram� 3 Local Improvement Numbers =109 -114, came, duly on before the.: 4 City Council of the City of Stillwater on ,the 9th- day .of 5 January, 1973: Commencing at approximately 7e369o'cock;pm 6 7 8 9 COUNCILMEN PRESENTa 10 .. 'A A._ %. 11 MAXC _ V� C JAM PQWEZL 12 COUNCILMAN LAMMERS 13 - COUNCILMAN PETERSON 14 C flUNC ILMAN WOHLERS COUNCILMAN BELFANZ 16 17 COUNCILMEN ABSENT i . .. ... 1s � NONE 19 20 # 21 22 MAYOR -POW L: ` Themeet ng v Il tome to orde x _ a `' 23 we will --have, the invocation. 24 (At this time roll call was had 25 sand 3 13 Omb rs -were esent, - �jCiRBY /} KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER r 2113 NORTH FOURTH - STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 .:: =` BUSINESS TEL. 49'4 - 3220,'. EXT. 302 RESIDENCE 489 =8147 - ., ,• - ', _ z 409 2A 2 OTHERS P=ENT 3 JACK SHELTON, Director of Public Works HAROLD FOSTER a ' Director " of Water Board 5 DU.ANE ELLIOTT, Engineer s LEONARD NEWQUTST, Engineer 7 RONALD LANGNESS, Fiscal Agent 8 HA,RO -K.IDUCEL, City Attarney, 10 12 13 15 16 17 18 .19 20 21 22; 23 � 24" 25 e KIRBY`A. KENNEDY — OMCIAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH - FOURTH. STREET, . STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 BUSINESS TEL. EXT. 302 -.. • , .: RESIDENCE 439.7147 ` MAYOR POWELL: We need a motion for t,he 2 approval of the minutes, 3 COUNCILMAN WOHLERS: I move to accept the 4 minutes of the. last meeting, 5 COUNCILMAN PETSON 'I :second it.. I s MAYOR .POWELLs You heard the ,motian and the 7 second., All in favor say aye. 8 (At this time a1_L,.. Y ce mbers of the - 9 City Council vo' ed as aye,') io . ` MAYOR POWELL: Ali , opposed..',: 11z (None opposed,) - 12 411 QR POWELL: Tonight before we adjourn 13 .W w ' swea -in the ,, nim .: is Part of. the meeting' '; l 14 councilmen. I ,wish to take this opportunity to _ 15 thank d °QUncilman Jim Lammers for the wonderful 16 se ice --that he has rendered the City of Stillwater, a 17 he- has also been a very good anc close friend. __ 18 Jim, it's a pleasure that I present to you this 19 pin as a token of our esteem: and I have a 20 .resolution that I would like' to read, which I -.a 21 will do, - s 22 (At this time Mayor William 23 Powell read the resolution) 24 MAYOR >POWELLs A motion-will be in order to.' I I 25 introduce the resolution. _ KIRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER -`� 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 85082 - - BUSINESS TEL. 439.3220 EXT. 302 Y -, - .RESIDENCE 438-7147 _Q9 4. � r 1 COUNCILMAN PETERSONs I .so 2 C4 rI,MAN B, rz ,$aoo d ,,the ma�t� , .. 3 MAYOR ' SWELL s YOU heard . - thei 1notion and- the 4, sp-c d,, atl .in'-favor say aye;,,, - F (At this . time- all-members q :r t .6 - _ 4 6 4Glty, Zour'icil- va, .c 7 MAYOR POWELL s OPPO _ d. - (Non e, _eaosed.$) 9 MAYOR _'P0WUL s The 'mot ion is car -1 4 y 3 hs ve rd3 c d .,:-b = the rei _ur n� 1 ' iie City, Council j16 aL -yes., Y }` 12 MAYOR POWELLs A motion would now be in ors.1.unleas Jim has something tos e wctild be in order to adj ©urn` and peed., wit h e 15 swearing in ceremony. 16 C OUNG ILMAN BALFANZ -t .. � o move; Mr-« . May��, } � }� 17 COUNCILMAN WOHLERS c Second, 18 MAYOR POWELLs It has been -so moved ;mod .r 19 seceded, all in favor say aye, (At this time all councilzer .- 21 voiced an aye. ) 22 23 _ 24 (At this time .Roger P.eterion ..and' -. 2 Glenn Thdjaps ©n -ere' ow.orn n as KIRBY A. KENNEDY - .OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 BUSINESS TEL. 439.3220 -EXT. 302 - RESIDENCE 439 -7147 - ` - 409 5 . 1 City C ©unc en of th City, of Gal 2 atiiiwater MA'1R POWELL: ;ode will how 4 s,At � this time13- 5 and all members wer ;present. 6 7 # r r 8 t s T e- d n t with 10_. tielic <hearings ghat have .the ege� >. v 11 - rat Y&- like. to :take this t me ®ra'th 12 papp1e that we rec+ ived t .from Al. i s Br ice x3 may: that 1Zwa�er Arc -ve' a $Q.4Ca= i'x`al 14 l ` a grarit,-'t-b. assist ; us : <thE', tgra ter. `- 15 :`W ar ,` ery plea -sed� to receive t2 is grit and 3tR` 16 T Y will Abe about a0 per Bent aid.. r. 17 - e will proceed with the first hearing an XS it :will be listed .number 4 and it- is prn let ,i12 19 watermain. The.hearing is now open and I would 20 suggest that anyone who wishes to be heard- may 21 come to the front and use the microphone. We 22 have a recorder to takedown a verbati. transcript 23 so whatever y©u d-o. c�rme . to use the .microphoneif 24 you will, please, give' your name and add'ess ansi 25 as often as you come wtauld `you please eve yar :. . KIRBY A- KENNEDY -OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER _ `< 216 NORTH 'X'OURTH97REET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 85082 "' _•' BUSINESS TEL. 439 -3220 EXT. 307 - "- •. -.. ,'.. _ ` -, _ RE910ENCE 438 -7147 _ _40 " 6 rtaime an Faddres. ,each tithe °because: the reporter 2 --will n ®t b' OOki ; _;fit `;he .mill _ just be, Working, - To begin with =in each one e the.0 hearings ¢ we v3:3 hake. a :statement, or re °sure af' "attre 5 tan .to: do which _will be han:dlt b our en i,neeri �'' Y �. s. s staff, mane Llliot and for .the px �eotl2 7 ` we Will;, begin t o with. `Mr._ Elliott s �iescriptit n g .meat s intend d. s MR: Ei1I4TT :;- The slides which we will be to she wih# you tonight have been - reproduced in hand- ` 11 out -drm in the back of the room, It- is not 12, j, necesa to have them x` t noW <: bit wp want to y _ - x . that {l E1 . have -the game information We'; • �° 14 - hove - ,given you .at the._ hearing whon:.you- 'leave , 15 n the so are lg -ated the leeatlQns for phased water main .improvement. You might note 17 t...r_._ . _.. ,Matz: some have a large., "M" j. by them, We 'Will read 18 ofd the lb- cation of ;the -sue t. to be improved, ' 1 1J - butt I ' want to :say just 1h background that the 20 water mains _ are ; proposed` primarily >far im]ixlQvements 21 at tliis time because late ,-: improvements 22 'reconstru�,- NSA :ati e'et ' and -114 reconstruct 23 residential streets -have a bearing.upon looking' 24 at 'what is underground and what should. be done 25 before improving the street no, ,that q -can avoid ' KIRBY.A. KEN NEOY-- QFFIClA1, COURT YtEPOR7�R "` '- 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, _"LLWATER, MINNESOTA-S5082 BUSINESS TEL. 434.3220 -EXT. 902. - -RESIDENCE 499. -7147 1 the prospect of the owner conceivably having an 2 improved street with a condition with, which�.'he .is 'not aware of beneath the street whi §)i cc zl_d 4 cost him -undo cost if not brought to ;his eattent-,on 5 at this me and ta;_he attention of the G'ciuneii for cosideratiQn and that is the purpose o£} ;. 7 phis hearing g as it . relites to the fatal 8 project. But, specifically with ; relation t'(Y- the water improvement proposed 1:will read those -.:_ 10 "- wat:oz,mains which are proposed on eons et streets and we will try to spot them for you on 12 —the ,slide. 13. >= Jirst,'.Third_ }Street from Wilkin" to Stillwater; 14 x © First ,_Street, -Elm - Street to Wilkie; W1 . 15 y �.. `:`t ", . Elm' Street to Aspen; ' Martha Street, from - is _Maple to Hickory; North Second Street, from AA . 17 Mulberry to Cherry; Linden Street„ from North 18 - Second t4 North nth "ird Street; Uuth Fifth- Stet* 19 from West: Pine to Olive; South Martha ,Street, from 20 -Willard to Fine :Street. Now, those are the 21 'water mains proposed on streets' which are to.be 22 totally reconstructed, which we are to'review1' _ 23 later. " 2 Now, the following streets" are.,.-.those streets 25 Which are proposed -for Matt- i West *camflxe - KIRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 . BUSINESS TEL. 439 -3220 -EXT. 302 - RESIDENCE.439 -7147 409 $ Street, Fourth Street to Martha; West Stl Croix 2 . - _. Avenue, from Fourth Stre to Martha ;Street_; ' Linden =eEt, from Fourth Street tt Fifth Street ¢ Cherry tre e, from Fou rth to 1`ifth Street; Sax th 5 Broadway, from Walnut to; Pine Street, ihe basic s reaSO i : considers," -ion 0f, water imprQ re ment S.L in .,, s these Locations and I, know many _,f your _ve. 8 on _those streets and presently have Water ser -ride, = s but .the present water service in most cad -ate 10 ' = pnoVided by long private -- what are termed privaf e semi ces wh cYi Were ,cone'tructed year ago, all 12 galvanized pipe in various. states of repair. 13 _ Harold Foster the^ water - �. n. , _ :Water xs 14 ='here tlis evening as we may dis�c s specific z 1 lot ions and we have mapsn holding specific locations as to• the age Of the exisng .,facility '_ t. T an4, the ,need for consideration at least of its . 18 rep`Iacement prior to a street improvement, 19 Aa t'-o the -most there is' a, difference_%, etween; the cost OfL water main on a street! which is totally 21 reconstructed and on a street which,Is proposed 22 for just matting. The basic difference is that 23 on Greet which is proposed for matting the 24 water. main trench and the:, improvement ofr the water_ 5 main hae`.alreedY -- would cost something extra - KIRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICU4L COURT REPORTER • 216 .NORTH FOURTH STREET, ST I 1,LWATER, MINNESOTA 5501212 BUSINESS TEL., 439 -3220 EXT. 302 REB_IDENCE 439 -7147 0 9 .because before theteet •z�uld be the tYis 2 street must be brought to a-, condti din where 3 can be matted. The cost; for the water •serviee, K� 4 which includes, the main_: in- front of .`t io houpe . . and service,-to the - propert-y...lin is '?,132* 00 ? .. . per unit those streets, whic are. '' 7 for matting rather than-= reconstrt thee' i $ extra cost of $110.00 in location A: . Now, these are, all -,estimated eostslr -The: F; Wial cost, . of course, would:' be borne if the 11 LL i pt-ovement` -is voted in. by. -the .council, would 12 - bg -borne out by de +,ail•ed plans andAids. received. 13 - ofi, -- those detailed plans. 14 MAYOR .POWELl,t ,. - If anyone has a question, 15 - ` again I remind you t:o give ' your name an address. E ri 16 I „emu shave any questions,,, that you;-woulrl like to--, . 17 .. direct to Mr. Foster, he is-.' s here and 'he can answer- _r 18 anything that you mi ght stave.:: 19 MR`. KUTZo George Kutz, 705,-South-Holcomb 20 Street. Could I ask Harold a �gtlestinn? I got 7 21 here kind of late, but ,anyway, mar: street is up 22 for matting. Now, there is a new water main in 23 there, but that 'street, that wouldhIt concern 24 me at.. all, would it? 25 MR`. FOSTER: George, . to 'this_ Wxtent, I thxn� ;< KIRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL-COURT REPORTER 216NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWA7ER, MINNESOTA 55082' BUSINESS. TEL. 439 -3220 EXT. 302 - '. : - -'RESIDENCE` 439 -7I47 409 " _. 10 1 the situation ug at ",your artieular'. -o- can, you hear 2 me all.:right, or would you rather have me up at 3 the.speaker? 4 MAYOR POWELL; it would be better if you 5 were at the microphone. MR. FOSTER: George, up at our Y part ibular 7 house on Holcomb-. Street there is ,a water..hain 8 in .Holcomb Street, the ,year I can't tzl_ offhand, there was a ori.gixi,aily private 11ne - 10 Fes; Pt or to the water main and to the best cif may` 4_ i%wledge yt5u are st;a "1 on, that private lone. 12 That is no, big.,-problem, see 3t to connect 13 yot off Of that px•ivate ,1ne; htk yam. on t o' th "e 14 - wd.ter main which is directly in front of your i5 house at the present time and to the :best of 1s l nc edge-,,,you are.,the only one-... on there now I_ 17 = believe ". yr 18 MR'. KUTZ.t No, L. will teIll you,. I _ha i a 19 private line when grey put the new ,line "down . 20 Holcomb_-Street there was a+.epidemic going art�ud ? 21 and I checked it with the foreman., they 0trubbe-d 22 in, but they didn-'t connect all these people 23 they connected them on my line. They said that 24 there was to. much of,� -a hurry, right ?_ ' = MR. ST.ER s' l ' didn't. have pa. any pr rat pn for KIRBY'. A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER - - -: -; w 218 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER MINNESOTA 55082 - : BUSINESS TEL. 439 -3220, EXT. 302' R &SIDENCE 439 - 7147 - - - - :_4 11 1 this particular -one, 2 }�'(WELL MAYOR t ,, Excus:� me. Mr., _ Kut�; u .will r - 3 >_ -,t have to speak into 4the: micro hone and for the 4., sake of the reiord we must havo -it. , You can turn . that around` if yc�x anIt . to 'atand -on the .outs�� de - . I say tlxe: People 7 hooked on to my line � f z W.U. 2�a r in my house out of the water pipes so; 1a3.ied ue>Rwaker Ord ° as their told ` �n� ��at 1 �oui . g d, ~hive toy get a plumber, so 1 got" p _umt3 " -. . :T �say c , yes, =you have: got � a wader blo or _ 12 , .-. .4q1�aar 'ick in your line: I said - T -- a:skedhl m-, how "could :.. ` .. 13 • . ypu have an air - .leack in my lire: 14 line. His answer, w�a that . 1 `just< 'ownees ^up to the off that :these- other five, - pe le a7re on mfr. y well fin- they cheetsed a-, naghgr's. 17 faucets and they found taut, it-hey- h4d leaky ' faucets 18 �. . but here thin s: a lain 1 1xi runni � £ plain z � l � �.. i one w 1 < = ;- t street`s And 'nobod , dn;! 20 qWn anything except =- because it was in the street.- 21 Well , S ;paid for` it in the beginning and it wasr0t 22, my line:` 23 MR. nSTERa private line. 24 MR. KUTZ A priva.te'. l� Mill a priYatq 25 ; , line in the street and I had. nithng wit y dp h - KIRBY A_: KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55067 BUSINESS TEC. 439 -3220 EXT. 302-" RESIDENCE 439.7149 fl 12 _ 1 the I only thing I owned was a, shut off 'and up to 2 my house and the shut-off broke--and, all of a sudden ' .. 3 -q it was mine again and I paid $1:04. MR"OSTER�. If it's a private .line., i. 5 belongs to-,,the persons being served, .,-Georj To- 4 .- . . the'. best" 'of , jtn.owledge a water main, belongs to . °. the city. Amain is considered anything Est iron, six incur, ;;#'our inch, a cast n �a�n 9 F :,,,5uffigient to serve the *ate : needs, Other ones.- 10 here it is galvanized three q ers of an inch. inch - and; a : half, . it doesn't furnish fire 12 test .we construe i as a v_ate, line p m o�+vret by the people being served, 14 MR �. KUTZ s Nobody ever paid me for those. 15 Five people, 16 46 R POWFLLs Mai interrupt�� Mr, .Kut - " ,. 1? �- n that - - You r-e al.izd s •, You: are -- that :your street,_ ' -18 has: only to be matted? 19- 'MR KUTZ ". I understand that.. My. street 20 is in sad condition, but -- 21 MAYOR POWELL t But as far as thewater . is. 22 concerned there will-be nothing done =with the 23 water in the street. 24 MR KUTZ t I heard you say. .,something ,about 25 $114.00 when I .came in, ._. KIRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL GOURT REPORTER NORTH FOURTH $7RCET; STILLVYATER;: MINNESOTA 55092 BUSINESS TEL. 439-3220 EXT. 302,- RESIDENCE - 439 -7747 �Q9 . 13 1 MR. FOSTER: I think ,before ore - the street is 2 matted, before there is 'a water main -on. there 3 these' should be hooked on to the .water main and the private - line disconnected. . 5 MAYOR POWELL,s He wQxt • t take the re€xlar 4 6 assessment then? } 7 MR. FOSTERS I don't believe so = COUNCILMAN PETERSON: Just where the streets'_' are wing to >be matted and HoI6.6m Fr _street is. 10 MR,. KUTZ# In other words~,, that ;$110 00 11 wouldn't affect,_ me. 12 MR., ELLIOTT: That wont affect' you. 13 MR.- KUTZ: That's all I wanted to - kritrw, 14 'there was one other. question, I suppose you will ., 15 et to that later,. the cost per front foot? is ..: ..'« MAYOR POWELL; Yes;;' 17 MR FOSTER: • Actually, George, you 'were tunate: that there is a. water main in the street is already, _ MFG;- KUTZ: Well, I` aid for it twice, that 21 ought to be enough. 22 :MAYOR POWELL s I think it world be keaslie� �> = if you stand up in front and' move the ;mike. in the s 24 course of the evening. . - 25 MR. HANSON s Gary .anse�n, 309-South., F1.fth: Stre� ; KIRBY A KENNEDY — OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER ZV6..NORTH FOURTH STREET, ! T #LLWATER. -MINN &OTA 55062 X... BUSINESS TEL. 439 -32,20 � E711 302 _- e ItESIOENCE : A. 147 : - . s 409 14 right next to St. Mary s. Do you know- "whe�e T the old'Kraemerhme? lU1R. FOSTER s -_ Oh, yes. I do, sure, yes, _ 4 MR. HANSON s We areal,so oinx -, g g, to: �,ue0 tiPA - 5 you on the streets tonight; "but are you going,to s come the full length'- of Fifth Street from Pine 7 to Olive? If so, at what elevation? s MR. FOSTER s With the - - grater ma -n 9 MR. HANSONc Yeah,.. IQ MRI . FOSTER s I ;_think that Is one for Duane-j. . or, Leonard, MR. ELLIOTTs We are aware of the stteet 13 MR. HANSON, Is the water main going,to -come 14 - v " the whole length of -that. even the lower :elvio? 1 _, t MR'. ELLIOTTr A , propased %lpcEgl*n for the 16-4- Y �- water main -on "Fifth " batwen� -and Olive s.howzi; "; 17 that would-" be seven _a,ild a half feet be %ow any - 19 street-grade. Yoiz" -kn ®w right .now there isn't a" 19 very, definite grade.' 20 MR. HANSON:- No,- but you would go the whole 21 length from Pine to- Olive, or would you ♦come to 22" service. off , of Olive and then dead end?. 23 MR. ELLIOTTs No. 24 MR`. FOSTERs There is no water main,. there 25 is a private line, you were served from the " KIRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL CURT 1FEPQRTER - , -. 216. NORTH.. FOURTH STREET, STILLWAiER, MINNESOTA 5508& - BUSINESSTEL. 439- -.3220 EXT. 302 _ - RESMENCE A39.7147 ` 409 15 1 intersection from the corner of -{}live and F'th 2 as is Mrs. Creager and Mrs. Lang, you are famj4iar 3 with that. MR. HANSON: We have only lived, there four 5 years, ` there is:- new ' service from' the street? FOSTER -: Yes, yours followed. out yo,x 7 dr. ivewa.y and then goes*_ over -gip, thy, in sect, '. ,y . s yours and .Mrs. F %' "era er's as w614L, . 9 MR. HANSON.t Okay, , But3 what Pm gett n; at is, we and some of `goi3 ng to , question the redoing of the street. -1 the -:.. street" isn't, done, would the water main be .. done anyway? 14 Nom,, ELI OTT : To cla.ri'y 1__ u said at the outset, eve were `proposing an 19- improved street in all of these locati.ons:. 17 = Should there be a condition .w-i in that st ' 1s - such as a .sanitary sewer` ,that " would. preclude " 19 the improvement of the street. Then :I would 20 not recommend a water main at this tiM-e 21 MR HANSONt So at this time you can't say 22 if- .there is ,going to` be a:water main until you - 23 try the new street? 24 MR; ELLIOTT: I think we should go on and. 25 discusser the streets in carriection with this -- KIRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER. ' 21S NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 BUSINESS TEL. 439 -3220 EXT, SO2 " '•" " RESIDENCE' 439.7147 - 4a 16 1 - part lo-cat on.'' "think, "tom �oi1e1� will p P 2 be .'resolved 3 .. HANSOM: Thank you: 4 FATHER F ORIAN MtJGGLI: My, name s ..Father 5 Florian.: Muggli, 'pastor at St. Mary's. Since we be an-to speak about Fifth Street. g a s ena 7 a letter to the council,'I don't:kn of . S tie members were able to get ,a copy of that, t'` 9 ve are .concerned, of..00ursea, of the-cost..to .` 40 ...s.. Mary's Parish. ;We want to help- long with the I7 �. s improvement of the city and I wQuld.J* to read 72 a copy of .that letter, Mr, Mayor., if y.pu don't " 3 object. 14 - - ' ;MAYOR POWELLs That--Is perfectly all ,rig-ht. 15 _=`4 FATHER MUGGLI s It was addre ed to Mr. 3 Marshall. We thank you for the dine that yo4 7 gave Mr.' Robert Smith and myself today to explain= 18 the improvements on Fifth Street between Pink, . 19 and Olive. It was also fortunate that. at .the _ 20 time of`our interview we had the opcasion =`to meet 21 Mayor Powell and Jack Shelton. 22 We, realize that your estimates of the .: 23 improvements at this time are not final' but we 24 are chagrined at hearing that the assessments to 25 St. Mary's Parish might amount to appreximately . KIRBY, A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER - 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 5$082 " `ISVWNESS:TR.L. 439= 3220`. EXT 3", ,, RE61DENCE 439 -7147 :, . ' °. • ' ', -'. 400 17 000.a0 Thin would'. ndeed b a eavy b,4 $17, en_ 2 fsr the members of this 1 . . n. ,parish We realize that we- are not as . _ property taxes but St, Mary Ps with t er 5 educat2onal ro ram and activities fear, the P g other s welfare of -'the .pe�pl,e` o.f" 'the City, of Stillwater v _ _ = 7 more than contribute their share toward --the _ s improvement of thb city. 9 Because the fact.. hat St, Piary's ow- has -_10 a - ade irate ;water sir 1 we .sir PP y, ggest' that YOU + reconsider the improvement a' a. new moats main, - Andy because of the•small amount of .traffic on 3 _...� , this street we do not think it n:ce �. s s ary to �4 _ completely reconstruct the street',whereas a __15 �. matting, job would be adequate, s In view of the fact that our. parish rectory= 17 ` = only has a septic tank at present_the need for 1 eit = y sorer.. no d ®ubt, is imminent, ` We ..read 19 that this matter will not be brought u g pat . thss 20 hearing but we urge that members of the- city, 21 council not ignore this problem. We also ? 22 Biggest that before a decision is made about 23 A mprovement on Fifth Street._. that thza--enti~re 24 problem be salved. 25 Again, We thank you for the courtesy you - _ KIRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER l 216 NORTH. FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55062 - BUSINESS r TEL. 439 -3220 EXT. 302 - - `- RESIDENCE 439 -7147 `_ AGO 18 extended us,. '2 And, I would strongly recomenri -that before, 3 anything ,is done that the whele -. problem be looked at We do need: seve r, -but tit me a 5 any sense to' improve the street .a.n4 rat y do tom;: F 6 whole thing: when =it is necessary, But, Gain the cogle iaprman €f th._tret d ©n 8 think is necessary now -because t -here - id so 9 little traffic and we urge you, therefore$ .the 10 - 3 memb .ere of the council, to reconsider the "pro J iid and the estimates and th recommen4atior f tie 12 " engineers. Thank you. 13 t. MAYOR POWELL a Does anyone else wish. - be s 14 heard at-this time? 15 ,.. MR. de ST. ` AUBI i a- . ,.My name. J s ~Ark de St.. � Au in r' °�16 I live at 416 South Fifth Street ,% I would like 17 to read-to,-the counc if I might, it.'.s brief, a sta,tem t `signed by-the lot: own - pro-,- :that live . 19 on 'South Fifth Street between Pine and Oliva,.; 23 "We, the undersigned lot owners .on South 21 Fifth Street between Pine . and - Olive, respectfully, 22 urge the city, council to reject 'the proposed 23 major..improvements for South Fifth Street between 24 Pine and Olive-for.-the following reasons: .. . -: 25 (1) South Fifth Street. beareen Olive and Pine gets - KIRBY A. KENNEDY OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER - 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA S60.@2 BUSINESS TEL, A39.3220 EXT.' 302 - . -a+ - - - RESIDENCE 439-7147 409 : l 1 very limited use, (32) The major cQ t. -of t4i6z ~ 2 improvements would no-tr Teturn equal. benefits is the community. 7(3) This street. is nott, used as ; 4 a ;through :street for traffic pattern .f3.ov# :5 receives only secondary usage. (4) A pkway s design could irtereaeb, .volume" and = tref fxa , pe is and, make it unsafe for the children who' la in P y _ =max, ; s St Mary's parking lets r this design could a3Rso .: 9 destroy the naturalterr .n acrd - e-n- mkt of :.. .�, the rapine, (5) Y� ®, fe 2 ap. -inodi ed pr a _ 1 may be in order that would lm-prove. the�`road sufficiently to allow.the secondary usage, emErgency vehicle. use end adequate grater run Of 14 1-would be `glad to give' the chaitrman a .ropy., 15 ;. of this with the signature.: of the ` lot owners, { 16 -" MR. LOHMER s I 'am Leo - Lohmer and 1 live at 17 3o6 303 West Olive, I guese,r and 'I also lave 18". property approximately 40.0. feet on Fifth - Street:y 19, on the west side of Fifth, The road is very 20 unstable there ta. put matting �on there, on an 21 older road, The city created itself one.:of the 22 problems by cutting thrmgh a drain from Sixth 23 Street into the :ravine. How -are you going to 24 eliminate that? There is no plan to eliminate 25 that. I understand that you want, "put two three - -: KIRBY A KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT.REPORTER-- 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 53082 ' - BUSINESS.TEL. 439 -3220 ErM 302 ' RESIDENCE 438 -7147 -- - X09 20 foot drains at the botto6 of Fifth Street ' 2 tunnel all the way, Aver to Qlive;Street and "=utder y neath that fill ,is a. 150 foot tunnel,.. New, this water iq still going to ga d _ .gym :where the 5 old foundry was, that's the- old Angus,_ Jessie (phonet1c) Foundry.: There is -an olt - water gain. there and it's been in ' existence..; fcr year ;stow, we rdalize there are some problems _A to the 9 drainage and that's > on the pr9perty _that ors. ` Lang faces there. The water camas- dd, n. `among z. �. LL the it re'" a ebb tern# 12 agree with that - with- 'any type of curbing 13 because it eats-into her: - property- it- hits the 4' driveway and comes across on` the , east: side of the j - street and cuts .in; where if : it.. vas cat into.. side of the'zvne where there is four inches of 1 sand from a breakaway from the drain that they is put-down on Sixth Street, `then :the city = da4aed 19 that itself, < ley cutting that. in. - ,And,i we had. arr 20 oral agreement with `Mr.. Abercrombie from that 21 time, he-is taking care of; ray bank because 1..�had. 22 --to f ill in ` to hold z y ravine and also hold the =. 23 sides of the ravine because it's. ash fill, Well, 24 they have done a pretty good job. 25 There is an extensi'on' of a 75 foot ,dram, at` KIRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER _ 21.6 NORTH FOURTH STREET,- STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 - BUSINESS TEL, :439 -3226 EXT. 302 -- ' .RESIDENCE 439 -7147- _ A�.l9 ��Y 11S the bottom and that's ,as far . as the f.ill.. oes;;now 2 N _0w, the water that:comea down ire . fi.. - � not.. Lakin - � ; _ g :into ` considera't.io� the water that�r.s :. ^ 4 draininA g You Put .your -two drains :tin? 5 _ x� Street 2Q feet ^r 3D felt. above, r s MAYOR POWELL: Excuse men Leos t q hearing- has to do with the water with, just the wa, 0r main now and we are aware that this is a "matter 9 of concern to you and w4- -# tak�^�:it, but tie; %av to to limit" -the di cu on now to water - mal- s. The,, x1 water, y be put:. in axed apparetl i loo,�i 12 . .a �. . - "_ like maybe i,� won, tj e put in, but ,et `5 3 unit i t .. 13 to that crow. t 14 MR LOHMER AID r ight j Limit it tee .hat. Everybod on t.liol st! i� hay water It *t's. forget 16 its 17 MR. ENGEBRETS(N t' My. name' is -Dori Engebretson = -nf 18 516 South Brftdwa y.° .I believe, the hoi, on 19 Broadway Street receive water fro a six- neh,:< 20 main on` Pine Street and also .oar -KKK lnut - Street `anal . 21 I believe my house is served by Walnut Street -. and 22 will this new main give me better` water. - servi; e? �, 23 MR. FOSTER: I don't know if it will give; you' 24 any better water service, but at least you won" t be deg ding on a galvanized;piVO Mr. gebretson, KIRBY A. KENNEDY -,OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER + 216- NORTH FOURTH . STREET; STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 n-- BUSINESS. TEL. 439 -3226 .EXT. 302 RESIDENCE 439- 7147 409 22 wh h i& in your case I believe �I told.;Yau this " _x_ 2 - - " 1 An g, „y4 g, do you recall? 'MR. ELLIOTT: .1 believe it was when theµ house 4 was bu ll to - 5 MR, FOSTERS 193; You and the._hous,e myth;:; corner.. ere are•;terved together w h three 7 quart er. inch gal vani zed pipe installed in 191 " from the elbow,, ;or near the elb ®v "t W� _,Irmt ands 9 Broadway, So, I mean, the pipe. _ is an zed pipe. If you ask me how long would ..it last, 'why 11 I would SAY, . it .caries be 15 and 65.-years,, . z; 12 F = which gives you quite a bit of latitude. "ice there 13 - S or your Agues is as good as ° =mire on how l'ngyour r ' 14 w l 3 aet, or any galvanized pipe. MR ENGEBRETSONi Well, what aboat when this, .r P �, . is., oian�ged, and the _srice will be copper:to. the -17 ._ bou evarei? L is SIR. FOSTER:: ',Ri ht ._ y e� . f ram t2 t, main Q - 19_ _ the prgperty line- at the 'boulevard would be 20 copper. _ 21 MR; ENGEBRETS4N•s So,,if I have trouble it 22 liable to be from my property line y tom houVe? .. 23 MR. FOSTER.: It could very well be, y6u are 24 wing the other would-be replaced, or if it 25 were replaced, that's right. ' _ KIRBY A. KENNEDY — 0FFIC1AL Cl if R1' REPORTER - 2115 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, -fL(.f(JESOTA ,!8082 e BUSIKItSS TEL. 4383220 EX'¢ 3U2i .: _ m s RESIDENCE 499 -7147 - 409 - 2 3. MR. ENGEBRETSON: Well I am oppes,ed to -the 2 new six-inch p i.p iri 3 MR. .FOSTERt I `thinC this its, tyre td~ give` _ ry . you an understanding of the Vie. of ,some of ,t ee _. 5- things so . you are at =least, aware off ,the situatiot, _ , s that' 4- the )w", n .c� _ 1m bpi 7 - tonight, ' MR, COLOMBO: David Colombo, 221 Test Cherry. g -x Street. I would like t© present this petitions AL "Hono alzle Mayor and City Cflune l The f'r� lo�xing rrindivid ale who. < have prop. t.g Chey' 2 a Street from North Fd ur th - Street west .to North. i Fifth "Street -in the--'C of t wat are i re%y 14 voicing their oppIosition,. in the form_' f this µ< T5 petition to the installation of a six -inch water x f main. in tie awvit- , esc ribea area; `-Th e re col` -Ayr.4 ' 174` n for this opposition be�,ng: (ij 'resent one .rand - a half nch rlvate - l e. is .a n _. 13 more building sites available in-the area, ' (3 ) 20 North Fifth .Sheet -was% reel ° matted 21 private Tine rs au With "thy present. piax� , 22 or-the area it would call for the destruction_ ®f - Y 23 this: 'new_ gnat , try :install a six- xhchrter wain in = 24 t order to complete _the lodr. K' Ctr l this .go. on 25 file? - ... ,. KIRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER• ". 216 NORTH. FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 66062 ; -BUSINESS -TEL.. 48$- :322,0 EXT. 302;. '' - RESJDE@ICC 438 -7147 - r 40g 24 The peop p there now believe that ., 2 our, inch and aY half "gal z � service probably 3 would - be._renew&d and I have talked t,:o Har_��a�; this :and we would gp ©r- renewing:saur private. 5 line before the stmt wato be matted. MAYOR P ©WELL` lfiir , ucan " of e i teri- on that? Is that a seaserable -way t4 d4 it? ASR. 00STER°t 4�e1�j -lac 't say, �#at �t =is or= M�•� prets�tr -pears s stdad prcedtre and proiably the deal thing ,. _ s �1 was a $d;€ipper ery ce, K J2 r MAYOR POWELL.: How -many people a:re served r -13 4 = .from. that privat€�: ine ?, '4 MR. FOSTER= Five, = I be.ieve it e that 5 four or five;` : 6 „. NR. COLOM$0s Excuse the , F r6ld wi -you 17 check with the person dbwns there on the corner,' ° 18 he has two �raten entries! diming., off into his 19 portion, there- .would axe four Op. e. 20 MR_. POSTER t Four, correct. ' `fhis. again,_ y.as f 21 I told Dare today, is a.n,- inch and Na ha-1 6ilvanizec 22 pipe layed in 1915,- _ 23- MR. CflI,OMBOS The pre.ted line is going 24 t all the way up the-, street approx,t tely the 25 full 300 feet and then it would ,dead end.:,.. Is there KIRBY -A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER - -- "' - ' 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 1 - 'BUSINESS TEL.. 439 -3220 EXT. 302 - -- - RESIDENCE 439 -7147 409= 25 .: 1 any reason that ',wikn- d :ae six �n .. man u h ;. 2 to fofxr. . street supply Ur.-homes"?. 3 1R. ELLIOTT .11," `1he fire underwriters do not, pLllow�.anything less than a six -inch -mkin throxigh . 5 the Mate Department of Health. s MR. COLOYMOa J see`. We _ I&Ae to 7 a hydrant right there as -h fare. Aepart fit, wQU:ld 8 determine it's a short lay,from the corner .of Fourth and Cherry n uno hat u ntersect�: right there-' .in.d cating) So, I- don't see that v, - 11 there is 'beed for a' hydrant up 'there, -MR. ELLIOTT: i think just in the we --.of � 13 review the reason for r6caf4mend nt.the replace3#tbnt 14_ `> of long services, which have been . in .th,e grourW } ° 15 50 to 60 years, is in the eventthat that service „u 4 16 ; should' fail if we were to reoon trupt;=the street, 17 : = yeu,t. would be faced with substantial cast in . v rewaxing that-_and gutting a main in aV that ` 19 time, The street assessments''are - in the neighbor - 20 , hood of : 15.00 per front: foot. =. -YM.- can Age e, what 21 kind - o f > a problem yc . would be- faced with if we . 22 did-" ,,a.dvise you that you _had say a =dear vld 23 service in the street and..we - .thq..council voted 24 in-.a reconstruct streetproject and.,ifthat service were to fail._ -next year and a 'maj.n line there_ .wool d .x. • ;. . ..;. _. -.- KIRBY A. KENNEDY OFFIGURL CQURT REP -04TE8 `- 216 NORTH - FOURTH STREET, STILIINATElY,' MINNESOTA S5082 BUSINESS TEL. 4�39 •3220 .FX4,. 302 ; RESIDENCS 439- 7147 4QP 2� be';_sukstantal :'.cat to vyou aid that, `the basic _ rc2 reason, , In addtozi tc side. ber�'its a:re;, thy' � M1 fire proiection to the -property whi� qh. you own. ' At "V- flL� Ilia y y t have cent n1 been, th�;re� or:: -r 5 "You r paret when the service was. brought in, rd: t,.tle ro p pertiea that never sh re An hat ,.. 7, ire woui l the mur Qipa, w ter-;s .whic"clu,des the ydra ats,,.; thy: va.i, the _ - service -yQu have in effec . a low erv�.ce', doh ' ;r is coming from rma-ins paid for by _'ethe .: ;. R. C }1LOME ate. are -w�1�' aware of . 12` in: zt r19g t now., a.iid ' we a7�G� �a�yixrg we >` =wpt4 .13ke r ` 'put w. 1 s. .to see .:nee! private service in ttere,`J but we " 1. t =can see no- .need. for the six- .nch'vp them- And, , z, 15 like I= tsaid, •there is- no need for it. 1 ELL Frankl y, the. dlfference between. 17- y a six -inch :cast iron pipe and an inch aid a half 18 . is not that' read it has to be g put _4�pven, and a 19 = =` half feet in the ground and as I said earlier,, :. Ilapartsnt of Hlt'> will nt. approve water, 21 plains, with anything smaller `.ihar a`x -inc h Nater . 22 main. 23 MR. ,C�Lf�iViB01 I see that.- 'And, then 'again 24 we are talking about digging another, -- in cxPese .._ 25 of >100 feet. Now, would you-'say the Construction. ' KIRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER - 216 NORTH FQURTH. STREET, :.STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 Blf$INE5 -7IL. 439.9 _A2O EXT.,902, ,., -` - .- - - • RESIDENCE 4 -39 -7147 `` 409- 27 , - costs- wauld' be close to that than we are talking- 2 about.-.300 feet difference. It's 290 feet with" the'private' line running up there right now, it - 4 runs ,ApprqxinWely, 200 feet up tbt e.et 41P . xu r. ltd,�;ELLIOTT: - You understand t3 s `is not a s detai}.ed plan, but there' are properties at-,,the 7- " :ntersectign of Cherry and Fifth which are also s served ,off of a private line.. We are trying to,, . _ 9 resolve a total. problem at one time rather -than ., �tYQ } coirig 'back two .years from r�s�w - Spe.cilly if the t�ta� streets were improved from Foun t: - tozFi�'th, " MR. COLOMBO: I believe you are mistaken. v There is a private .line and X11 the ht3me. tin Fifth street we: serviced aff, of : that.- Now, that street was recently matted and,they covered up 16 _r a private Line.- there. 'Pow you tican imagine 17 _ .emu turn 4,r"oond. -ond , g ,that tine, tip and put a 184 six -inch -main dawn. there. Welli theY'two properties 19 at the yintersection of Fifth and., Cherry have 2Q been figured in the cost. The way I untand 21 it there are going-to-be four people paying for 22 this main'---And they would be the F our, ,pe6ple -on: 23 Cherry Street. 24 MR. ELLIOTT: Na, the circles you see_.on-". the = ,25 drawing represent abutting: owned.- I! might pc>inf: I v .. - -- KIRBYA. KENNEDY - .OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER . 21.6 NORTH. FOURTH - STREET, .STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 550. 82 - :. -.. BUSINESS TEL. 433 -3220 EXT. 302- - - ,. -.. - RESIDENCE 499 -7147 - 409 _ 28 3 out there is 65 to 70 },people- of 4111, =the water - 2 construction proposed that will be assessed, . _ ~� it's net dust the four;.peope bn Chr r'eet+ = - 4 Everyt_ king . is pulled together An . +on,e" large; 5 project, ri 6 MR. Ct�I,OMAQi Ali right. ; 7 MA AD Pf}i�EZ,L s An€a,her thing z mht may. - 1 = } r,..egard to e private lines,' it has -been, e�.ty;o acy v h 9 not to 'permit any ner. =private lines bsoause_, 4 -, doing that we are defeat in the purpS a y ., good, . sound w4� r system. r e 1 ivy;. s ;, a 4z, 1- - only problems such as you arep�rinoing right now because they were put in because :q _tj�, it didn't care, on 44-1 't_ afford, or #, 15 wasn't necessary to run_ a -main_ in that strt+ t Therefore; in girder -to build` or to .allow Water, a special permit was granted ar allowed so that this could, be done and. the - people -Who. did that 19 only pay f or' the work that was ,requir-ed and had 20 no =P,�yt in paying for..their ..share of th, water 21. mains or the hydrants, or _anything, #and to 22 cor tinue ttis : practice only puts ;ark , addi ti oval - 23 burden on those who must put in -a regu],_ar -< water 24 system. We:;are trying to eliminate this because 25 �t° doe defeat the princapie;� ,a s t wa good er step; _ _ y - KIRBYA. KENNEDY — OFFICI AL COURT . REPORTER ' 2T.8 NORTH: FOURT14 STREET,- STILLWATER, MINK -ESOTA -35082 - BUSINESS TEL. 438 -3221 ' "EXT.'$02 RESPOENCe 438 -7147 409 29 1 If you 'hav,e a private l i ne Y in at one time and. you 2 are concerned with whether it will last much longer, the city. couldn' go out and put in a ., 4 new- pra t e, line." in 'the .:same location. Anse, 5 =besides that, as Mr. Elliott said, the Board of Health would not allow that.: 7 MR, COLOMB-04 You have our .oppbsi.tlion. . 8 a`r�e rp live at z : 222 West Cherry .right _across from. Dave. LL _ r Whereabouts did you get "this figux'Q., F believe- it __. 12 . was $1, -100 and some dollars, fog "the to :put' in .:a six -inch water main and then a matting jab to Abe $1:00 and,,, some more? a=_ .bucks 15 MR. ELLIOTT � C "herxy Street i.s on the matt "ng Is preigram so the `cost that you have . yo11 dlvide that 17r by the :total cost indicated and--- the number of y 18, f units; " of service which would be provided. low, is the total cost is the" tot.ai improvement, which_ 20 was on, the first slide that we saw.:. 21 Ivl HAMP s Right. 22 MR. ELLIOTT s Those things which .a°e on _ 23 adding streets which are represented, by the a -Jpi .d 24 LL item and the cast of rest -tiring the matted streets zz 25 and , the number of service units which would be on; >.. - _ AtRSY- A 'KE -NNE ©Y - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER•'. 215 NORiIi #OURTN. STREET. STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 56082 ' SUSINE$S TEL. A3P W EXT. 302 " v- - - RE314ENGE ,I{J'8�J47 _ 4Q9, -p 1 the matted streets resulting: in $110,00 aional� 2 cost fo;r each property. So- it is. the sum of _those 3 two which would be the.estimated t cos t' 'brie 4 a -main in front of the property and a service; -o'. 5 the property line and connection: to the service . 6 at the property line. MR. HAMP: This �,erv#e is brougY t up to thy` s curb thin, . right? 9- MR, E,LLIOTT: No, it would-be brought.to t"he Y , to prapert line which would be about 3ti feet from, Y _11 the centers. 2 MR. HAMP: Where do you .get ,: figures .fr,c�m- ,the '� g# 3 you haven't had any bids' bn <it", het . a. ,h MR. ELLIOTT: These are ,estimated ,'casts, 15- they are based -- escalated-to some degres__by } is cost increases which we expect that '11 occur nett season. $ MR. STAMP' How dose d ®u th� you aye at rs that: price, 4300-00 buck? 2Q MR: 3TT.ITfi: Somer�n� the coureil Inig ht �. ``t21 refresh my. memory about _the,:estimate€� Ain " 22 - last- year they,. were wit a- -less than $jQ. 00� : �I 2a, 7 mean, - in actual :costs assessed.. :1e were. 24 $50,v -0 ;ctf. -the -cast {es-ti ma t ed~ to the, pedple tit ., year. e weren't that close every year, but' we },. " - KIRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COUR4' REPORTER 216 NORTH. FOURTH STREET,- .STIi,LWAFER, MI NNESQTA SSQ" BU94 N6S5. TEL: 489 -32$O - EXT_ 302 " - RESIDENCE 439-7147- - our best, I havoc - `,been in -the construction business 2 fi�_, a .,number of years and I' ;n -v _ gen It 3 P_oMe 'os r; yet• Zr 4 - MAR POW t We havv -,nt t g cost so that we• have- a hearing aid we open the 6 bids�'and then if anyone as interested at the time 7 :.. of the opening- of =the Aids, you- can g the s 4 exact . cost and it's, relative -. close. *_ we t4en s have a god`- enough �ineer to cone .e cceptlon41 s 4 10 close,. ` . " 412 ` J - MR. HERTENSTEIN: ' Fred rte�n,0 - 1 , s :. North Martha. I think in been these two - 14 (indicating) an 9ycYamore and-, St. Croix; Now Zti - _ g 15 there has been- something' said. about i �buttang ,ns .. not abutting. Who is go ng o bex_a ` es 6`ed itj 17 that aria., where do I get- water from nay? _ na F 38 MAYOR POWELL s; ] �, rot d. 19 MR. FOSTER: You liye in that last block?. 20 MR. HERTENST -EIN -1 e . camera and . 21 Croix on. Martha. 22 MR, FOSTER: N ow there .. a situat .tin �the�e'e 23 I from the intersection of Martha and -..Syea re, there_ 24 are two'-different lines going east andy$ycamore 25 Street furnishes fear houses dc� m thee, TY ether - .s <, - XIRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL. COURT REPORTER' :5' _ 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET',*TILLWATER, MINNES09'A,"082 _ BU51NESS TEL. 439 -3220 EXT. 302 ' RESIDENCE-499JI147 409 32 1 one furnishes, I believe, seven homes including 2I yours, it goes up, I think, under the right block 3 between Stewart's house -- no, between Peterson's 4 and Gene Wright's house. 5 MR. HERTENSEEINs I live south of those. 6 MAYOR POWELL: Further north? 7 MR. HERTENSTEIN: I'm the second house from 8 St. Croix on Martha. 9 MR. FOSTERS Oh, Martha. 10 MAYOR POWELLs On the west side of the two 11 lines down below -- right about in there 12 (indicating). 13 MR. HERTENSTEINs Next door to Bill Broughton' s. 14 MR. FOSTER: There is a water main in front 15 of your house, is that not correct? 16 MR. HERTENSTEINs As far as I know. 17 MR. FOSTER: Well, what is your problem 18 then? 19 MR. HERTENSTEIN: You are running in two 20 water mains just north and south of me. 21 MR. MARSHALL: Did you receive an assessment 22 notice for the water, or just the street? 23 MR. HERTENSTEINs Well, street, I guess I'm 24 a little confused on that. I attended a meeting 25 a couple years ago on sewer,also on water. KIRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 BUSINESS TEL. 439 -3220 EXT. 302 RESIDENCE 439 -7147 409 34 the reconstruction of MA rtha`Street ?- A 2 MR. ELLIOTT-i Yes, the streets that are 3 basia.ally going to be, heard tonight are those.° 4 which culd not ;be reconstructed before hecaue 5 we had to put the stt�rm sewez� in. So, therefore; s the atr_eets_ were .eft off °.the ::storm sewer, we had to get the other work done first, the 8 storm sewer and then- recdneti -uct follb*ing the- 9 installation of the storms `sewer. .and .the watwer 10 mains which we are" t.aikint about, 11 HERTENSTEINs Well, I -haven't heard any 12 mention-of the, storm sewer ".now on Martha Street. 13 MR. MARSHALLs This hearing was held in 14 December of, -.1971 and the: council did order, the---' :t pro jeet in 19'1'' and that probably wall go ahead, 1 but the _.question _# only on the �! - ovement and 17 right now.we'are't l ng about wate-r- w4ins in the `y 18 areas throughout the city, but,the storm sewer 19 project will.go ahead this spring and that is 20 not the question this evening. 21 MR. HAMPs Weld, are we going to, be,assessed 22 for- _storm sewer and reconstruction? 23 MR. MARSHALL: Yes,.= tYzat_'s the' whole thing. " 24 MAYOR POWELL: It depends. In some instances 25 it's conceivable in many "case the water will'dun KIRBY A. KE #K DY -0 rFkCiAL-COU RT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH;.BTREET, STILLWATER, MINPff -4OTA 55062 - `- BUSINES$ TEL, 439 -3220 EXT. 302 RESIDENCE 439 -7147 x . . 409 3 1 down "the gutter to etch - basin so there ` isn -i t 2 - going to be any storm se?4 er on every street that's :' = 3 in the starm serer pr �gr m. :'However., _t-hero.. will ^be° "arm assessment: -per .ell "ahhI 5 -the grant in. the neighborhood of$200.00 a piece.,' s = So 4 whetker. you_b.have actual digging,. iri your . street , { 7 no , ` u a e mG'21t. dill be the same becau . -. �.-or t yo r s-6. as _ _ . $ you do contribute from your property to the amount 9 of water that has to be removed,, a - °I V s 11 - MR'. NELSONS Kenneth: Nelson} 902 Forth 12 William. Now, I am `served by a, water: main on. X 13 Elm Sheet, I live...on xthe corner. Till I be -.; Y ]4 _ hit for ftall assesrmEt on .William $re also,? x - 15 MR. NEWQUIST s You are on the 'earner 'house? 16 R. NELSON 9f lm and Willman. -- MR. NEWQUISTs: . Ncr, you vuoul not be�asse se MR .- NELSONS I wouldn ".t, I dot a letter-. 19 MR. NEWQUISTs :I believe that we are 20 reconstructing William Street. 21 MR. NELSON: But I got a letter'for• both. 22 - MAYOR POWELL: It looks like it,, -- 23 MR. NEWQUIST a When w� Arent over the war 24 improvement corner lots,-,, on- hider mains have I 25 been put on one side of the., corner lot we did not= - - KIRBY A. 'KENNEDY -�-� OFFICIAL COU T REPORTER- _ _ - � 216 NORTH :FOURTH STREET,. STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 550" BUSINESS TEL. 439 -3220 EXT. 302 -• .-` _ '_- -"- RESIDENCE 489 -.7147 y -, 409 36 RIR131° A. KEW 216 NORTH FOURTH BUSINE Y - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER MET, 5T}L,L.WATER MINNESOTA 55662 fEL. -430 -3220 EXT. 302: - 1LDENCE 439 -7147 :_ - r, 400 3 7 2i 3) i 4i i 5� 6 r 8 9 10 11 I 12 I 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 (indicating) right, so then the two people there would be two more people added on to that that we didn't know about. PTR. ELLIOTTs There are a total of seven that are indicated on the map, at least. DR. HADP: Right. NIR. ELLIOTTa But, again, everyone is sharing totally. NR. HAIGs Right, but now those two homes are now serviced by private line that runs down Fifth Street, so now they would be on the main line, they won't be on a private line? I:R. ELLIOTTs That's what proposed. MR. HAFT s Okay. So now what you are trying, to do is get rid of these private lines, right? MR. ELLIOTTs that is correct. IyR. HAMPs What about the other two people on Fifth Street, they are still on that private line? Ii.R. ELLIOTT: We have other circumstances within the city like that. We are considering only those locations now that are within proposed street improvements because if we are to improve the street, we don't want to have to go back and try to correct something underground. KIRBY A. KENNEDY -- OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 BUSINESS TEL. 439 -3220 EXT. 302 RESIDENCE 439.7147 40 30 1 -MR. HAMPs Well, that street was i1pro.ved 2 so why wasn't :that 3 MR. ELLIOTT: .,I m not certain of .the -reasons 4 why it' was not ;done' at" that `time. .I` think _it was 5 a matter,"of policy at that time versus "policy, s This was done in about 1968. 7 $ MR. FIEDLERs Gary- :eider, 424 Nort -h gout - s Street', on thaa.soutieast corner;cw there- s a Fourth Street water main: 11 MR: FOSTER: Southeast corner, or_s-outhwest ?,; 12 MR. FSEDLERs Southwest_, "excuse me.? That 13 would be right, on the -corner between, Cherry and 14 Fourth on the southwest_corner, :right. 15 'MR. FOSTER: Yeah; 16- MR. FIEDLERs Now, I am receiving my--water 17 from Cherry Street, I believe I- hay,!e a connection �' Y 18 towards that, street, "this m I'tn nvol edt 1g the water project, right, or could I,. hook over_ = ` 20 to; the "' north? 21 MR. FOSTER: I would say not 'If:: you .are" getting 22 your water directly, from Long if he is on the 23 corner where there is a water main:in. front of 24 his house and private lines on the side of hie 25 house. . KIRBY A. KENNEDY.- OFFICIAL -COURT REPORTER' ` -216. NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWAT-ER, MINNESOTA. 55062 ' BUSINESS TEL. 439.3220% EXT. 302 -' RESIDENCE 499 -7147 •' - , 4Q9 -39 1 MR: ELLIOTT3 Basj3.- upon what we said before, 2 you would likely not be assessed; but- some,`of 3 these determinations are. going to be heard _ 4 assessment hearing if the ,pro jeer is constructed 5 and we will.review' everything with regard to s what :we are proposing ._here and shoul;Rd -�'xe' aas-ses =` you and you feel -yciu are unfairly treated -them` s that's the opportunity you will have at_ .t -hit- time }" 9 based on what we ,said. However, `if, you Are am A ' corner. lot, there is' . main:. tlhut existed on one 11 side, yo�'wQUld not be asessedon this. property. 12 13 MR. ASLESEN r Robert Asaosen, 1119 h .:, 14 Third Street. I would a reciate it if- YO QID,11 15 get the map up that ha�s that stre '. on--it T have a couple quest ions regarding . it s. 17 The circles that are 0- n there. are these the N 18 units that wile be assesd frtm what you ire 19 talking about't 20 ASR. ELLIOftt Yes, 21 MR. ASLESEN t Okay. There would be four on, -- 22 that one street from Wilkin,to Stillwater, North 23 Third, is this 'correct? 24 MR, ELLIOTTc That's corrget.. 25 MR. ASLESENs. Okay. There °are.. --- let's =see; ' - KIRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL: COURT REPORTER-, 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET,'S.TILLWATER, MIJ3N SOTA 5$082 BUSINESS TEL. :439 -3220 -; EXT, 3OZ - - RESIDENCE 499 -7197 i i 409 40 j 1� on the east side of Third on the south end there 2I is a lot now that's an old garage, or barn, or 3i whatever you want to call it, At sometime in the 4 future a house will be put on that, now if this 5 is the case, is 'there a provision to tap into 6 that line, or is this being taken into consider- 7 ation, or what it would be south of that point s right there (indicating)? 9 MR. ELLIOTT: We felt that that circle 10 represents that vacant property. 11 MR. ASLESEN: That's vacant now, yes, but 12 there is another one south of that where there 13 is a 14 MR. ELLIOTT: If there is another building 15 site there, there will be another assessment 16 made. 17 MR. ASLESEN: But now if you should decide 18 to hold on to this for five or ten years.before 19 putting a house on there tearing down the old 20 building that's on there now -- 21 COUNCILIVIAN PETERSON: Duane, I think in that 22 _particular case on that corner they would probably VV i 23 be serviced out Wilkin Street. Being a corner 24 lot they would probably pick up their service off 25 Wilkin Street. KIRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 BUSINESS TEL. 439 -3220 EXT..302 - - RESIDENCE 439- 7147.' r , 1 MAY ©R POnLL: Arid, then. the-zcircle would for the WildabLe lot in back. ASR. ASLSN Okay. , Now, thi'� . stammer, o 4 this fall there was - -a line run in on Stillwater and there is a fire hydrant at Stillwater and & Irth Third, Can you till im±erher.:: that dame 7 Vrom,. or if that came from there, would it be s .-cheaper to, or, which would be better to - Ofttinue - that l ine down south across tsilwa.t er and , " imagine it would be li e. 150. feet e to over those ' 4 four circles, rather than come a full 3 f? feet - 12 from Wilkin up to Stillwater? 3 13 R. fiaLIO t We31, we are :anxious :also to _ _ K s - 14 get a ot� tectaon at Wilkin in order'..,. avoid 15 a dead -end main there, s-o that we met :had a a ' 16 in ,that, system, ' 100 feet or ' so, if Z recall YQr qu:stiarr. _ 18 MR. ASIME Okay. The water hata's 19 on -that will shape -- it would "b from what, 20 - Second to -!- okay} ;that's comi � -from -- where is - 21 that coming,.-on a plain,, or just a small-. line-,. " or 22 - . ., 23 MR. EI,LIOTT's No, that, shown .lighter,; bec ee � .. it's already there. We .are showing t_he .groposed 25 1. and ,bolder lines that come}. from_ :a xaj M I .On North _ KIRBY -A. KENNEDY-- OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER - . ; 216 NORTH'FQURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MANE50TA 55062 . BUSINESS TEL. 439-$j30 EXT. 302:.. - RESIDENCE; 4869 147. % ` 409 42 i i Second Street and so you would have a continuous 21 line then connected from the existing main here 811 at Wilkin (indicating;) going north over to Second. i 41 , i MR. ASLESEN: Now, you mentioned the dead i. 51 end. What would be the difference if you had 6 ;I f` that or not? 7j� 1,R. ELLIOTTs When you have a dead -end line -- I the water within a municipal water system is 9i continuously circulating because of draws from 10!� homes and sometimes flushing other parts of the 11 1 11 city. If you have a dead -end line, you don't have 12 the opportunity of circulationg of the water in 131 the system and you do have a -- depending on your 141 own use, but you would have a protection of the 1.5 stale water also, a line which is tied in and 16� looped. If you have a fire hydrant at this point, 17 I the water can come from two directions rather 181 than just one, which causes substantially a 191 greater supply at any one point and that's why 20� water systems are tied and moved around. 21 MR. ASLESEN: Okay. Now, I was told a couple 22 weeks ago the estimated cost was somewheres around 23 $1,685,00 and now tonight I hear $1,132.00. Is 24 there any reason for the difference, or is there 25 i I some cost that's not involved in $1,132.00? i K!Rfil A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER ...0 F4 ORT1 _-OURTH STREET. 5 ":`L LN'.AIER, MINNESOTA 55082 S!F SiNESS I'LL 439 -'S220 EXT. 3O2 RESIDENCE 439 -7947 �! i BUSINESS TEL. 439 -3220 EXT. 302 RESIDENCE 439 -7947 M 1 MR. ELLIOTT: No the cost that you see here 2 -- I'm not sure of the source of the number that 3 you referred to. There were two factors which 4 result in the unit cost, of course, that's the 5 system cost and then the number of units often 6 times the cost will vary substantially because of 7 a density of the number of homes and services 8 given by a 300 foot line. You might have eight 9 services.as opposed to four plus the cost per 10 unit would be reduced. The earlier improvement 11 did have a considerably fewer units and yet we 12 had some fairly costly situations. Apparently 13 in the water distribution system proposed less the 14 higher unit cost and now we do have a lower cost 15 because it is a larger system. 16 IVIR. ASLESEN: Oka Now, a person has a line 17 running from the house to the present line in 18 this case it's a private line, will they dig up 19 the street and put in the six -inch main in, does 20 this price include connecting up to that line, or 21 do we have to pay ourselves to have that dug up 22 again and connected? 23 MR. ELLIOTT: No, it includes the connection 24 to the service if the present service is at a 25 reasonable location abutting your front property KIRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 BUSINESS TEL. 439.3220 EXT. 302 RESIDENCE 439 -7147 M 409 1 44 I line, if that service is to wander across in the 2 other direction between two homes, we can only 3 terminate the service at the property line and 4 then you would have to revise the plumbing in your 5 yards, but if your service does in fact go out 6 the front of your house towards your front 7 property line, we will intercept it and connect 8 it at the property line. 9 IVIR. ASLESEN: Holding the cost? 10 D2. ELLIOTT: Yes, that's correct. 11 ER. ASLESENs Okay. And I assume on now like 12 the lot south of me you would just go up to the 13 line and anybody building on that would have to 14 connect- up? 15 DIR. ELLIOTT: That's correct. 16 10R. ASLESENt How long can these assessments 17 be paid over, or do you have to pay when they come? is IVIAYOR POWELL: The normal procedure as far 19 as the city is concerned is to spread -them over 20 a ten-year period. 21 t,"IR. ASLESENt When we originally heard about 22 this $1,685.00, we felt at least in our opinions 23 that it wasn't worth that kind of money seeing 24 that the line that's in there isn't that old, I 25 believe it's like 24, which isn't too old. I mean, KIRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 BUSINESS TEL. 439-3220 EXT. 302 RESIDENCE 439-7147 409 1 1 it's been there for awhile, but not too bad. The 2 si; people owning �; property on the street from 3 ,lilki.n to Stillwater signed a g petition to have 4 that one segment aborted. In talking it over 5 with those here now we would still like to present 6 this petition and leave the option open to come 7 back and say fine, , go ahead with it, and we are 8 saying this because we do have the potential of 9 lower cost here and also we have a quotation 10 running with this if the water is not put in to 11 not have the reconstruction simply because it is 12 a short street and nobody really uses it. If 13 the water is put in, then possibly the recon- 14 struction might be worth it, maybe it wouldn't. 15 RUMOR POWELL: The reconstruction you 16 understand has to do with the storm water 17 separation. 18 lvR. ASLESEN: Now, as I understand it, this 19 300 -foot section is to be completely done, curbs, 20 gutters, and the whole works, is this correct? 21 £ =1R. MIARSHALL: That would be constructed 22 with asphalt curb and we will go into that when 23 we reconstruct the- regular street, 24 14R. ASLESEN: Okay. This petition is going 25 along with the water saying that we don't feel KIRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 BUSINESS TEL. 439 -3220 EXT. 302 RESIDENCE 439.7147 � 2 it's necessary because it gets so little use there. 2 There is one person that has a driveway.on there, 3 if they build another house, that will be two 4 people. Possibly something else could be worked 5 out, I don't know. What about for the time being, 6 we would like to at least petition the council 7 to give consideration to aborting this. 8 9 MRS. BURRELL: I want to ask a question on 10 that same street. 11 MAYOR POWELL: Would you step up and give 12 your name? 13 ,RS. BURRELL: Mrs. Burrell, I live at 1124 14 North Third Street. We have -- I think it's a 15 private sewer line on there, too, now if you 16 finish that street off and then decide later on 17 to do something with the sewer, are you going to 18 tear it back up and do that then at another time? 19 MAYOR POWELL: Everything that we do is 20 planned so that we don't have to tear them up 21 at a later date. 22 AaRS. BURRELL: But is there any plans for 23 a sewer line on that? 24 11,11YOR POWELL: You will have to check with 25 the engineer. KIRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 BUSINESS TEL. 439 -3220 EXT. 302 RESIDENCE 439 -7147 M 1 MR. ELLIOTTs The city records do indicate 2 there is a sewer in the street, however, we will 3 investigate what you say. 4 MRS. BURRELL: In that block -- 5 MR. FOSTER: Yes, there is a sewer and water 6 went in at the same time in the same trench. 7 MRS. BURRELL: Yes, but that's a private 8 water line. 9 MR. FOSTER: Yes. 10 PiRS. BURRELL: So it would be a private sewer 11 line? 12 MR. FOSTER: I don't know if there is such 13 a thing as a private sewer line, there is a sewer 14 line -- I don't know. 15 11AYGR P0VELL: If it were in the street, it 16 wouldn't be a private sewer line. 17 MR. ELLIOTT:... The record indicates even on 18 the drawing that there is a six -inch sanitary 19 sewer and a two per cent grade, which is two feet 20 of a fall, the grade is adequate. Normally, you 21 have six -inch grade for a sewer. 22 TVjAYOR POWELL: We do have in the city some 23 private sewer lines which may connect two or 24 three houses and may go in the middle of the 25 block and go to a city sewer line that's in the KIRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 BUSINESS TEL. 439 -3220 EXT. 302 RESIDENCE 439 -7147 r � 409, 4$ 1 middle of the street. Anything that's in the 2, Street is not considered a private llrie. We have 3 some instances like that. 5 MR. TROEDSON: Darryl Troedson 1146 North 6 Second Street. On the street in which we are 7 discussing here on 'Third Street there it has been 8 presented that there are four indivi;duals.t�at 9 would be assessed if there is a water main going` 10 in, he" .also mentioned that in the sQtthern part 11 of the corner, a sG or- west,, there. is- Mr. Brown: 12 and Mr. Troedson, my lot is empty right at this 13 point except for the garage, but therq.is not a 1� domicile on that. Am I to <understand that if 15 there is:, - assesement,.we will not =be ss esse 16 on that water main because we are hooked up. to.--.= 17 the Wlkin water main? 18 MR. :ELLIOTTj -Do you live on Second Street,. 19 sir? 20 MR. TROEDSON: Yes, I do, 1106 right'on the' 21 corner and I own two lots, the one there and -the 22 curie in back 'of that going u tali.. Thd_ Strt. 23 f MR. ELI,IOTTa There is no water. "main proposed 24 =` ; _ in front of your 25 `; MR. TROEDSON# No, I'm talking abo.it in the KIRBY A. KENNEDY — OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, "STILLWATER,. MINNESOTA 55082 fl if BUSINESS TEL. 439 -3220 EXT. 902 -.. .a. _•,' �.. °- rc- RESIDENCE 439 -7147 I T 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 , back there I have two lots. Right in there (indicating) then right across there, across there next to Mr. Brown, or State Representative. Am I to assume that both of us will not be assessed next year, the water main will be layed all the way down to Wilk'in? I!2. ELLIOTTs Again, to repeat the policy if it exists on one side when the new main is constructed in front of the other side, there will be no assessment for the first building site if the lot is large enough to constitute two building sites, very possibly there would be an assessment on a second side if both are properties. I'm not certain of the dimensions of the property which you are referring to. IR. TROEDSONs About 100 feet wide then again if we are looking up into Wilkin and they lead the main and we cannot go into that main, of course, obviously unless something is built and there is another assessment there. In other words, if that lot on Third and Wilkin, if that sold and someones build on that, then he can hook up to the water main there on Third? HR. ELLIOTTs Yes. II KIRBYA. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 BUSINESS TEL. 439 -3220 EXT. 302 RESIDENCE 439 -7147 49 z 409 50 1 MR. SHERRARD: My name is Roger Sherrard, 2 1s, live at "208 Kest Linden Street, Stillwater. 3 =s 1 don -t feel that the water main should >be put 4 - up there. In my opinion the water main is only 5 broken once in 20 years, and I ' feel that._ it shouldn't be a new one put up there." MR. FOSTER# Well, there again just for 8 what's it worth that water -- private line is 9 an inched a half-:part of the way and an inch 10 part of the way laved in 1915, so that is the 11 age of it. Yoe •haven*t-. "lived there :long? 12 Mg. 'SHERRARD a No 13 MR._FOSTERt There has been trouble'on there ° 14 and undoubtedly will be more due to the fact that 15 it's „getting -older each year 16 MR.- SHERRA.RD s But, in 20 years I should. 17 feel if anything is wrong with the pipe it should 18. be wrong by now. 19 iSTER s Galvanized pipe slowly 20 deteriorates. It's far better when it's put in 21 -and by the same token it's better at 20 years than $'t is at 40. I mean, I'm not trying to paint a 23 dark gloomy picture for you, but the time, ga=ng: 24 a come, I" don't know when. 25.. ::. i -MR. S'HERRARDs Weil,, could that water, main KIRBY A, KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT =REPORTER._ - 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, M4NNESOTA 55082 - ,. .- - BU&CN ESS TEL: d39 -9220 EXT. 902 -. r RESIDENCE 489 -7147 _ _ 409 1 be put in later -after this street had been matted 2 at a.--different time? 4n. _ MR`. ELLIOTTi The water mains are roughly . 4 ten to 12 feet from the center line of the 5 sanitary sewer throughout the entire city,,! 6 Those that are new to construct a wat.er.main 7 later would -mean to attempt to constrt it in 8 a boulevard area with services to the side -- s on the other side of the street That would 10 cause a ain u.ndie cost to-the pe ©ple that live 11 -there. 12 MR.. SHMRRARDs_ About. how long was that - 1.3 how long would that 'mat last, that new mat that's 14 going on there last ?' 15 ELLIOTT $ _ � We would -estimate a minimum of 16 15 years_be ore any additional work. 17 'MR. SHERRARD -i Couldn't the pipe be put -in 18 then, or unless there was something -- couldn' -t 19 it be put in later then? 20 MR. ELLIOTT: You were assuming that you can 21-1 get .151 years of life from the present service, 22'- We - feel;.on.this. galvanized service that's been 23 in the ground 55 years that you really exceeded 24 '; the- normal life expectancy in the galvanized pipe. 2" MR. SHERRARDs Isn't that -- I was quoted a - KIRBYA. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL. COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA S5082, - BUSINESS TEL. 439 -3226 EXT. 302, RESIDENCE 439.7147 - 409 52 x- 4 1'J price of $1,600,00 for everybody, now some people, 2 that own two lots and some pec4.e own bigger lots ' 4 than I "have -- and I think they should be assessed 4 per foot, a certain price per foot instead of 5 just $1,600`.00 for the whole works for everybody.' 6 MR. ELLIOTTs The policy is to assess the 7 water as a service to the property. Again, as 8 we mentioned earlier, the assessed„ costs. have,;_ , 9 been reduced because the- project- is _somewb.i-t to lager and the estimated cost is.$1�,132.00,�1us $110.00 if you are on a street that ,is stpp�sd - 12, to be matted, which I understood is the case, 13 t would be the sum of those two figures. 1 MR. SHERRARDs Thank you. MRS. ROLOFFs We are on the end`of First T_ 17 Street and you mentioned° that .yot� �rouId life to . connect it up so that there is a'constsnt run Qf 19 water. What .will happen to us ,on the end of 20 First Street? 2' - MR. FOSTER.e You, are down on the end behind 22, "° the.old prison, right? There is no way that, 23. .. ..� could be connected. ROLO'Z+'s You mean we xan'-�1e seated: 25 for it, that we got -,a letter, ,on -its -- - -v .X KIRBY'A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER' x 21S NORTH .FOURTH STREET. 'S7ILLWATER,-MiNNE50TA 55652 BUSINESS. TEL 439 -32 O 'EXT. qG2 RESIDENCE 439 7147. - F.. - 409 53 1 MR. FOSTER: Perhaps this is on North Third , 2 First. MAYOR POWELL: Mrs. ' Charles, Rt_l.off it is. 4 MR. FOSTER: Yes, I mean the question she 5 posed --was whether or not we won't dead.end, but 6 there is no alternative in that ituation 1f=: e =.. 7 water main is 'run southerly from Wilkin Street g there is nothing that it can be :-connected ta, 9 MRS. ROLOFFs Right.,,. will our' water be 10 stagnant? . 11 MR .L FOSTER ,3 .'Well, _ it isn't-the _ best; situation. 12 We could have a hydrant down there, that's one 13 solution. 14 MR. ELLIOTTa There is a hydrant proposed 15 on the end which probably would require flushing, 16 but the reason that that is not 3�'Foposed for 17 connection anywhere is that the City of Stillwater 18 does have a double zoned water system in that you s have two pressures, one in the downtown area. and 20 one- for, _Vhq area up -on the bluff, If there - is ..a s-in le p pressure, the � P pressure in the downtown; area will probably exceed 150`ponds per. square inch,; which world really break p peS,and cause ' 4.. leaks_ so the-..system,, is designed-on a two: -zone 25 p„ sy an: _ And,.. this 1 think As at tlie''end of the , KIRBYA. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER - _ 21¢ NORTH FOURTH STREET, . STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 - s s BUSINESS TELL 439 -3220 EXT. 302 i"" -. RESIDENCE 439 -71.47 409 ,54 1 upper zone, so there is no means and way -to, connect it witbo - .some., X-aLn t of a pressure reducing `F 3 u R: aydtem which is very costly, So >in this instance we are proposing this as a dead -end main b.ecause 5 there is not a main at the same pressure -that - s we can hook in to. at that :ocat!on, 7 Ate: FOSTER: Does that sw ..it , $tty? o 8 MRS. ROLOFFs I guess sc, _ _ 9 t 10 NIR "_ H.ANSON s My name is Martin-Hans I live { 11 at 402 North Second Street. 12 MAYOR POWELLt Please speak loudly-- 13 MR. HANSENs Maybe I should come down. 14 MAYOR POWELL: It would be better if;evern 15 did, is MR. HANSEN: Martin ` Hansen, ,I dive at 402 17, North Second. Street, the corner of Second Street 18 and Linden Street. -One question I was wondering 19 is why---Isn't this connection made along Second` 20 Street to.. cross - connect the -to lines?-.- 21 A " { MR: ELLIOTT: That: again :,is:, a break,- point t between "the high and-the -low pries -sur€ is systems, 23 MR. HANSEN: Okay. Sinee i run on the4 24 on both, sides is our assessment still going -t g " ..,25 - the same, about $1,100.00 a service? KIRBY. A. KENNEDY OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 216: NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 BUSINESS TEL. 439.3220 EXT. 302 RESIDENCE 439-7147, -' "= 1 ``1- MR. ELLIOTT: Yes, In other words,- it's 2 treated as a service to the property,- 3 MR. HANSENs - When they actually dd the 4 construction of this now, can I expect access 5 to my property at all times, o, -.will I be hamp.ored s somewhat when they dig the line in? 7 MR, ELLIOTTo Temporarily hampered when the 8 trench is dug as to your driveway, but the water 9 main sometimes are layed 3,000 feet a day -with, 10 one machine and backfilled -, so they are.-.- Past--' 11 any single driveway for a limited'-period-of time. 12 MR. HANSENs So it's a one or two day 13 proposition, not one or two weeks where I would".-. 14 be torn up for two weeks"? 15 NR. ELLIOTTs It would be passable. 16 MR, HANSEN a Okay. Is 'there a ;d-ewer -line.,* also 17 connected with Second Street in the reconstruct 18 of the.-- 19 MR. ELLIOTT :. Well, there is a sewer on 20_ Y _ _k _ Second-`and on,e,.on Third. :4u 21' MR. HANS4N r No, I meant the connection with T 22 < the revamping of Second on the state aid project, 2 is there sewer work also projected for that -- 21. t for storm and sanitary 'at this time ?. 25 MR. ELLIOTT: Yes, there some storm sewer - KIR13Y A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER -- _ .,. .. 216 NORTH .FOURTH - STREET, .?STILLWATER, MA NNESOTA 55082 -- BUSINESS TEL. 439 -3220 EXT. 302- - _ -. `RESIDENCE 439 -7147 - - 409 56 in--that-general-area. We do .have -- - 2•z MR. HANSENa Will all three.NprQjects be going 3 t on'the same work phase? 4 MR. ELLIOTTs No, not likely. Wevill have 5 a very detailed schedule from the contractor with s respect to each project and the follp - .up on each 7 project which will avoid, you know, u nes- 8 working all over town and creating a great deal s of 'problems, so the : scheduling has been. carefully 10 worked out with the Zirector of Pu_b c Safety. ;. 11 MR. HANSENs How long a -time periodwoul_d 12 be expected for the vehicles to be working on 13 Second Street for the whole project, a couple Jof 14 months, or a month, `or the resurfacing of the 15 state aid road and the sewer separation and the 16 water main? 17. MR. ELLIOTTs If it's a good season without 18 much rain, we would expect that both: Second Street : 19 and Fourth Street, which are; bath l r i.c.ipal state =,, =~ 2Q aid streets, wou` ld tae, completed r. 21 MR. HANSBNs This year in one working season ?. 4 22 MR ". ELLIOTT$ Yes. 2� MR. HANSEN: Okay, thank you. 24 v .MAYOR POWELLs Anyone else wishing to be ¢,t.. 25, heard? _ KiRBY A. KENNEDY —: OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER c ZI,S NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55092 BUSINESS TEL. .438 -3220 : EXT. 302 F- -- '. RESIDENCE 439 -7147 `._ 409 57 MR'. LOHMERs Leo Lohmer, 303 West Olive 'Street S' Between Fifth Street and Pine and Olive you'-so 3 must be putting in water on Olive later on because 4 you are going to reconstruct the whole street, 5 What am I going t4 get stuQk for? I have l50 feet - 6 on Olive and I have got approximately 400 "feet I'll 7 Fifth. Are you going to kill met 8 MAYOR POWELL a Do you_ have water a bw ?_ 9 MR. LOHMER: I have water,' to MR. FOSTER: Are you talking about water 11 main, or sewer now? 12 MR. LOHMER: Well, yedh -t but I mean in this new project on Olive Street you - certa.inly must . 14 be going to put in water? 15 -MR0 FOSTERS Where? 16 MR. LQHMER: There is a -god one, n there 17 that isn't going to be taken--.q areL of, :you are 18 going to put iinterceptor :sewers .there, -I understand, 19 when you dig this up., 20 MR. ELLIQTT: We :are drft'tzig 61T into the _ separation. I think since you. raised the 4ues-�on _ I think it should be answered, ' In the sewers �:4 separation project where the present street i ' in good condition that street;. is going to be �5estorcd as` a part of the separatontnprovement 7. _ - A and it has= nothing trs do w�'. recdnructi." ,a ' KIRBY A. KENNEDY — QFFICIAUJ6642 - 2VS NGR.TH FOURTH STREET, ST-J,�'L1NXTit 1il'k}1f+54 A ,. - ;. _ ,:` „ISUSINESS TEL. 439•b2Z0 EXT 302 - ` _ - ._ RESIDENCE 43$ =7147' , 449 58 1 sheets. The only "streets that ;we ar:e .' reconstructing are those with the chuck hales, MR. LOHMER: We know Olive is going -to be 4 reconstructed and that's a major project, but at 5 the same time I was wondering you gust be putting 6 new water mains in Olive. - 7 MR. FOSTERS From where to where do you mean s on- Olive? MR. LOHMER i Pardon? 10 MR. FOSTERt You mean you are suggesting 11 that we-put in new water mains? 12 MR... LOHMER i NO, are you? 13 MR; FOSTER: No, water mains do<. not rust ou-t, 14 they will last for a lifetime as far` as. ante 4A0.w, 15 MR. LOHMERs You guarantee thetiv Thank you. 16 17 MAYOR POWELL s If no one else 'washes to be 18 heard, we will close this hearing and continue :_19 on to the next fine. 20 The, hearing is -now-closed and tie 'counc*1 21 will take whatever action is neee644 ry4 z.. MR.,. MARSHALLs Tov of esh 'the ux ci:l's " � memory we received a petion -from the property 24- a owners" on West Linden Street--,,and North Third_-, 25 Street indicating that they'tdo.v not desire to have .. KIRBY } 4C£iVNEDY - Q pt W COURT,fIE It 21.6 NOATH: FOURT14 .STREET, ST7 LLVKATER ESO'iA =SS082 xr v . BUSINESS TEL. 439- 3220E1Cf: 3q2' t' - RESIDENCE 489.7147 - -- 4W 59 r '` their streets ,included as a part of the water and - - _.2 sewer improvement. All of .'those. streets, -Z believe, are for matting except South; Fifth which is the 4 other property. Cherry and ,North Owens to North 5 Third is a reconstruct street. s MR ELLIOTT:: The only that I fan see . -= at the moment that should be deleted - 8 Fif t, Street-, which has" be . br# fit to. our 9 attention here at the meeting and before the 10 meeting that._there is a need fr�r sanitary sewer 11 and this should be investigated and perhap$ -t-h,- 12 street should be delayed, or the water main on 13 this street and likewise based on' what we , said earlier the street improvement. would thex3 °be - 15 done roue d . is (At this time "a iii ssinn was 17 had, off the record.) 18 'MR. ELLIOTT s I might mention for the be'z efit 19 of 'the council and the people here .t many Qf - 29 tie stew .and 1 sY of� rests - FA.... ° were put in a. pra ram some more than two - x 9. gears 2 ago, because at that`time.the city hack substantial 2 mileage of gravel streets t'o. mainta4 nnuall 24' That continues to be 'the 'reasPn why some of rtho #� '= 25 streets are proposed, or ugh ill - ahem are ,: _ _ KIR &Y A. KENNEDY;- OF�Ir.IAL COURT REPORTER' - _ - - 216: NORTH FOURTH STREET" STrUWATER, MIkNFSOTA $5082 q -:- BUSINE55`TEL. 4.39 -$220 _L°3CT. 362. ,. . _ - - -' ' RESIDENCE; 439 - 7142. - 4' 449 6-0 m proposed, they are either deteriorated bituminous 2 or, they are in fact, gravel streets and in some - 3 a cases water mains needed' improvement before we 4 improved the street.. So if you eliminate the 5 water main, I think you automatically eliminate, 6 the street from improvement and ycxu would continue 7 to be faced with the grading on those streets., 8 COUNCILMAN PETERSON: When you look at all _ - s these varipus_,'areas,'Duane; they are all very 10 short, they,are all one block and two blocks,,_ 11 many of them are .gravel streets, many of them _ are scheduled to be-matted- If you go r gh frog the top North Third St�reet,is a gravel 14 street. The prison hill 'we dead end down there:_ - 15 at the corner and the curve down by Benny.,Rolaff' so 16 The people who receive water on that, street on -the. 17 east side are probably receiving the 'water from, 18 the alley that runs behind them and would probably 19 -- .which is,a gravel alley, basically, would:. priaa'�l continue even F if :the western wou d probably continue to get t ir - water. through " 22 there. It,s a much easier e- onstruclonhough rt 3' there, you don't have. that steep bank - 01r 4 There are only, I thin,'` fQ- hflusea.: .aberzt.' 25 " four .houses =on the on el de of North First Street KIRBY A. KENNEDY OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER _ .. _246 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 95082 ` - BUSINESS 'TEL. 439.3220 EXT. 302 " RESIDENCE 439.7147 409. 61 1 in that particular are : one on tie corner 'anti - 2 the others you probably get their water through 3 private lines going down the ,hill.. 4 MR. ELLIO:TTs Well, it's a typical private 5 service area. s COUNCILMAN PETERSONs . Right. Those areas don't -= if the line does break, you wouldn't - necessarily have to put it in a reconstructed or ; 9 p would matted street in that articular'case 10 probably be more feasible to go across the -top 11 of. the ridge there, you get-up around. North 12 Second from east Mulberry to Fast Cherry .Street 5,only, 13 Street .you have got three house' i ghat 14 . whole block, There"--is- none on -the ,,easiy .side , 15 That's that whole low point of Pionaer Park, 16 there is no houses on that side- and.chanoes are 17 there never will be. The one on'the corner of 18 Second,-- is it Second and Cherry, let's see 19 Cherry probably, , gets their water off- Cherry Y '20 r Street. Actually, there is only.'atout one house 21 that could be serviced off Second ..Street, `the 22 , L .; others `could be picked up from the corner of 23 y . East Linden. Here again; is. anot4er one block 24 area from North second to Ngth Third, That - ` 2' R street is in poor condition, But, it's a one `b lock KIRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 218 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 - .. BUSINESS TEL. 439 -3220 EXT. 302. - - -- r- ;, -. RESIDENCE 439 -7147 409 62 area and I don't really see a problem if .the line u breaks. South-Fifth Street From >West Pink to - Went Olive is a two block area. S ©uth Martha 4 is.probably a two block area. 5 Under the Witted streetsi_ yo�t ,:have got 'Kest 6 Sycamore from North Fourth, totth �tarth, that's 7 about a two block area, a long block A ti .a half 8 anyway. And St. Croix it's the same thing and 9 here again these are very lightly- travelled streets, {' 10 ' they are residential; streets only, no-one goes ]1 to and comes from those streets except -those that . live there. You have West Linden Band. West Cherry, 13 which ar?e dead -end streets aid �hax�ces_.aare ,the y. never go , a s farther. And. Snuth- Droad�r0.7 -, s about 15 a two block. -- a block and 'a half area. 16 MR. MARSHALL: -From the point of view of 17 the Water Department are any of tiese absolutely 18 necessary to. oothplete your seem- 19 MR. FG�R s Iun't essay they, are r . pd - absolutely necessary .because zt just about breaks.' as,: is and has for two; Y. ear ' and so you can -t ` say th they are necessary�F� , No ,I- %kink; tie c_x, ' - 23 of the t",_is , the fact` that it-. .pretty, we ui io what is under 'there, and "rather_ than =� 25 I -' m, sure none . ©f us want .to put" ra sheet oust the _. KIRBY: A. KENNEDV�- OFFICIAL Gii�URRT,.RBPORT£R r' - y 216 NORTH £OURT14 Eiii. STIL'LVIWATER,,, 41NNVS0TA 85092 _ - '19USINESS TEL. 43.9 -3220 ,E9M 3 O - REDIDENCE 439 -7149 _ . r - 40R 63 1 top�of =it and we would be critic *e,d a year later 2 for fixing the street and then go and dig it up. 'It, pretty hard to tell the unknown -when it's 4 six or 'seven feet down, 5 COUNCILMAN PETERSONs Some of:rtheee .gravel 6 streets we have .presently at on, e_., line -when we 7 did the inventory of the streets...snd we were. going 8 to attempt to eliminate the gravel greets < some 9 of these streets and at that time. we deleted North 10 Broadway from Wilkin to St. Croix, or Stillwater 11 Avenue only because it was basically a residential 12 street. There was no traffic on it, to speak of, 13 if any, and it would probably-Always continue 14 to be that, so it wasn't really a great problem 15 to leave it as it was,, ,a gravel street. *any._. is of these others are gxav€1 ,srea; now and' there 17 is very little through traffic -on: it, if any, and. 18 I don't see.that it would create any real great 19 problem if they stayed that way.` 20 MR;'° ZLLI01T s I thank -- 21 COUNCILMAN PETERSON i _ If the line did break 22 and-you had grave1 streets, you watLldn't have to 23 tea-r� up, aAy reconstructed streets. 24- MR, BLLI0 TT s As I recall when North 25 Broadway was removed from =. the , -pro, j.ect', that that KIRSY A. KENNEDY OFFICIAL COURT'REPORTER' -_ - 21$ 1401?TH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 88062 .'.BUSINESS TEL. 439 -3220 EXT. 362- - RESIDENCE 439 -7147 f 409 64 _n _, i project had it been included `with. the „project just completed could have been constructed at a lesser - -,3 cost than some if that street is conscted, 4 all of it, because of the peculiar assessable' 5 footage available -- in a sense I feel we are doing s the people a favor if that street is eves 7 improved. Many of these have side yards that 8 are short blocks and those people will share 9 35 per cent -- they will have a-35 pear cent, or 10 65 per cent reduction in their-assessment and if it they, are ever to be constructed, I think they ought.' 12 to be constructed as - -part of a large project 13 because, in themselves, .constructed alone if you 14 give them 65 percent credit, that doesn't mean 15 much if you ;put it back against the 35 per cent, 16 you see, So there is an- advantage here of 17 including as much as.. we 'can, _ 18 COUNCILMAN WOHLERS s -On this reconsttact 19 street, what do you mean- ly ou: tear the whole street up and redo it right? 21 MR. ELLIOTT: ' Yes,, sir, that_'s what *s proposed. # �2 COUNCILMAN WOHLERS: Now, some, of these,' streets hereto me they axe like, - -. they are not, -- 24 a heavily travelled=, streets do we have -to hive; 25 . a street like that? KIRBY'A, KENNEpY T OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER Vir NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER ; - MINNESOTA 55052 - _ BUSMESS;#EL. 439.3220 EXT. 302 - -_ RHSFDENCR 439• 7 147 - _ '!F =Q 6 " -1 MR. ELLIOTTs The streets proposed are not T 2 heavy -duty streets,- - they are seven.ton,, or five ar. 3 ton -axle load ,stree_ts. If we were to mat those streets in the condition they are in, I could not 5 guarantee what those streets would•16ak like in 6 two years .• The thing is that we inventoried the 7 streets where conditions existed that are failures 8 in the surface - basically dies, not .give you . a lot 9 of load carrying capacity, but instead water 10 proofs the materials that are made to give you 11 the strength so we carefully inventoried the 12 streets and in some oases we did reduce down, to, 13 matt ing.,.after a more careful look at the street, 14 but I feel that the proposals are really minimal. 15 I think the total --septi.on proposed for-Stillwater -16 = is minimal. IT" MAYOR POWELL s. How' many people , are- hue. 18 tonight that ld be affected by :this heari, u� 19 112. Would you raise your hands., please? 20 All right. How many _of' those people -: that _ . 21 have raised' their hands, would rather wait for 22 this improvement with the knowledge that it would 3 possibly cost the ,.ire. 3 How many wt�1d rather 4 do that? How many,.leople would rather do it now 25 and effect whatever savings it might be? _- x KIRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55062 NORTH. FOURTH STREET, ± BUSINES S TEL. 439.3220 -EXT. 302:~ RESIDENCE 436 -714! »•. ,...__. - ,. 409 66 y t 'I iAt this time : affected peo *le 2 2 in_-- the audience raised tl4b r z. 3 r hands as 4n a da'CAt 4 approval or disapprovai.) 5 MAYOR POWELLs Thank you. Another thing to. s consider if we strike any of them this would. 7 increase the cost to those who feel that,, ,they, "8 need it at this time. 9 Actually my, feeling would .be that ' South - 10 � - - Fifth Street -- it appears to me that- this would _ r 11 be a tremendous hardship on those people, '$17 000.00 12 -is a considerable amount, too. $17,000,00 for 13 the church to sae Z think that this is exorbitant. 14 It is unfortunate that it would roan that much f} 15 however,, inmost of these other cases when we 16 are talking about $.1`,100,00 figure, that the 17 lowest it's probably ever going to be. But 18 anyway, `it's up to the council to make #their 19 decision. -�, COUNCILMhN PETERSON-3. T�1r. Mayor, I would 4 u 21 ,move to delete, the entire project. ;a 22 MAYOR POWELL$ You :heard the motion,; is there'.. Y -1 23 a second? 24 (At this time. no second was had.) 25 MAYOR POWELL: There is, .no second, the motion _ N SY. A KENNEY 'OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER - KIR D - .. - 216. NORTH FOURTH. STREET, .$TILLWATER, MINNESOTA 550 2 -' - - - BUSINESS TEtt. 43$•3220 EXT. 302 F RESI D ",* 434 714 -7 409 ` 1 dies for want of a second. 7-10 2 COUNCILMAN BALFANZ s Mr,, Ma or I Kay or propose 3 that we delete North First - -Street, Elm Street,> 4 East Wilkin Street, South Fifth Street, West 5 Pine Street,' West Olive Street, West Cherry Street, 6 North Fourth Street and North Fifth Street. 7 MAYOR POWELhs How many streets do you heave then ?. 9 COUNCILMAN BALFANZ4 All 'thp, ,rest. - I delt a - lo these three. 11 COUNCILMAN PETERSON: Delete North -- I 12 COUNCILMAN .BALFA,NZs; North First, South. 13 .:Fifth, West 'Cherry Street. 14 COUNCILMAN PETERSON_, H©w abotat North. Third? 1 COUNCILMAN BAI,,FANZ s NortC. First .and.- the 16 three that I gri4ted Z have 'a question on Northeoand Street. 18 Could I see this again? North Secojad Street;:' 19 North Second Street from -East Mulberry to East- .: 20 Cherry 'Street, MAYOR P WELL: If we were _ -to -- dele e -all�.thege, s 22 we are just putting a tremendous burden on _se,, �► 23 people that-. "are .going to. get T 24 MR. Toy `1o`tho See As .the 25 municipal state aid street proposal that we have -AIRBY.A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 216. NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 85482 - = BUSINESS TEL. 439 -3220 -EXT. 302.`.,' -- "- RESIDENCE 439 -7147 - P `68 - 1 not -- that's proposed municipal :stat.e alb fro: -- d 2 Myrtle to Laurel Street. ?` . ... x . 3 MAYOR POWELL: If we €ielat6� any 'large - 4 portion of this project, 'we are tel these,_ �. people,,` that they are going to get t- ` b� the original $1, 6100.00 and I don't ° t.hink that that-'s 7 fair to these people. Do all of it, or .do none .€r 8 it because we are here for a hearing on $1,100.00' 9 and now we are getting way out of the ball park. " 10 COUNCIL14AN BALFANZ: Well, that's my motion, 11 Mr. Mayor. 12 MAYOR POWELLv , You " heard the. mot:a,gin is there .. 13 14 MR. MARSHALL: Delete North First Street, 15 South Fifth' Street and West Che..rry Street? 16 MAYOR POWELL: And do the rest.;`It would be' 17 my suggestion to the council- and I 'say this for 18 the people, that in my opinift., Quth Fifth-Street- 19 is a tremendous hardship. When you speak t��`` that 20 kind of money, I can see where that- can,be de]Eted, 21 In addition, it's going to be that mach -- the 22 fact is that should 'really lower thecost with all 23 that to a few people. 24 MR. ELLIOTT: Well --.I think < the need for; - 25 sanitary sewer in that area and when we got to the KIRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL. COURT REPORTER 218 NORTH FOURTH STREET,.STILLHVATER, MINNESOTA 55082 -. . - .. .. BUSINESS TEL. .439 -3220 ' EXT: 302 RESIDENCE 439 -7147 v, `409 69 1 streets, I felt we could not recommend the street ." 2 improvement because.'that'.really did not come to 3 our attention until after the -- 4 MAYOR POWELL: If we deleted th c�xi' street, 5 it wouldn't, affect the east advf, - "--y ". s MR . ELLI OTT c No, in f act, it-probab ly would go the other way because substarit!g -; ;Water, -amain is proposed in that. location with very few services, 9 MAYOR ' POWEZL a I can *t see how you. can - femme 10 an additional cost on these people,, by- deleting= 11 a part of it. I think if-,you are - going to do it 12 you should do all or` none with the exe,c�ptiox� of y J3. Fifth. f` 14 All right. We will get .p: ome da recd; from 15 the people that awe = -affected,:., HQw manyQUlcla�k tp ha=ve the ;;whole pro jeot mane fled? . - 17 15 18 How many would like_ to s the- p -6 jeet._ go -, 19 with the egcep� ion of Fifth Street-T; f 20 We have eight. m_ " -: 21 Loh r_, you= -vot -0 fcrr- cancel -1—ine MR. LOHM i , I didn' ' -. hear, - •. MAYOR FOWELLi S•m for , .. ry. My suggestion was 24 .s -.that we Bete Fifty F Sheet, th trhich you are ,� . 25 G cernc o with sec use that is that - 7 KIRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER - ' 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 5508.2 - - `- •" BUSINESS. TEL. 439,.3220 EXT. 302 "- RESIDENCE 439- 7147: _ 4:na ;17n �-. 1 to be rather .unfair. We- do everything else but Fifth Street. be i-se of the difference in :the cost: = 3 that wouldbe involved to the people that would 4 then be paying for it. How many �1I would like to 5 do 'the whole project with the exception of Fifth .,1 s Street? If you are husband and wife, just one of 7 you raise your hand. A SPECTATOR: A guy on Fifth Street when "he 9 is going to be exempted that isn. fair that he 10 raise his ,hand I'm not affected, but if you are 1i out of it, you houldn' -t- vote for somebody else. 12 MAYOR POWELL: He did before and he misunder- 13 stood. `14 Do I see seven hands, no? 15 A SPE€TORs' Could -I say something? We can't , 16 really hear: what you are saying: it should he a lot 17 louder, we can't' understand it. . 18. MAYOR POWELLs `..Does -ohe else h. wve tro�lb� e 19 hear-i bg2 z 20 -, A SPECTATOR: Everybody does. Are you just 21 talking about these-water-mains-.now? 22 v MAYOR POWELL s - Yes, alb-, ire ere speaking° of ` 23 now is project lid, water mains, leas the feeling, = s, 5 24 or it, was my feel -ing. that South Fifth;Ztreet should 25 be deleted cause of the tremendous cogt_- . Now, we RIRBY A. KENNEDY — OFF`I'CIAL, COURT REPORTER . '. 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA SSQBZ -_ tt - BUSINESS TEL. 439-3220 'EXT. 302 - RESIDENCEfd39�7147 - - - - _, - A_ 71 1 are. talking about all therest`the_pro >ject if 2 we delete any part of the project ether than South 3 Fifth Street, it will inoreae the cost per unit 4 which I believe is unfair. Therefore, -we _asked 5 for a show of hands, however, there are only 2Q. G people here that are interested in the project- 7 that's going to affect 89 people, so in a sense. - "8 that isn t a fair estimate either. s MR, HANSON Gary Hanson, 309 South Fifth 10 Street; I think you confuse some of the people 11 by saying that this should be deleted,, You also 12 stated it will never be cheaper with labor going 13 up. I think the- reason it- should be deleted now 14 is by the confusion of the city with what they 15 are going to do with sanitary storm sewer, 16 MAYOR POWELLs Right. 17 MR HANSON :' We are going to get it eventually, 18 and you don't know what you are going to do with. 19 storm sewer. 20 MAYOR POWELL • Right,, r_-so .think then .that _ 21 we should determine that Yeither w d the - whiffle t ,. 22 project or we do ; none -with the exception _p#' Soil 23 Fifth Street and .1 think twat that's prohably -the z �; 3° 24 proper way to go because wee don't , have .a--- we just 25 < have maybe a quarter.=of the - people that-, are,, = KIRBY A. KENNEDY OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER .: ;.� 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 $ BUSINESS TEL. 439 -32,2© EXT. 302 - REST PENCE' "439- 7147:; a- .409 - 1 involved in this project that are present.-this- 2 evening, The chair will entertain a moti tle a �_ 4 affect--because T do ,believe that's probably the proper way. Is there a motion.,,to that effect ?:" .,COUNCILMAN WOHLERSs I move the motion that a. 7 we do all the streets except `Fifth Street,. 8 COUNCILMAN.THOMPS,ON I second the motion. MAYOR POWELLa The motion has beef 4. . 10 Wohlers and seconded by Thompson that we proceed 1 with project 112 with the exception of South 12 Fifth Street and this 'will perhaps lower the' -unit 13 cost somewht below what was described this eve i , 14 This motion is to introduce a resolution, is there 15 any more di.scusson on. the part of the council? A SPECTATORS How -do we pay for this? 17 MAYOR POWELL: This-will be paid - -- the council 18 has to decide on that, but generally'speaking -you 19 get,' 10 years to pay for a pro'je t of this :type .v. 2V and it can be spread out over a period ,of 10 years' _4 27 payable with your taxed, A SPECTATORi What It the interest? - 23 MAYOR POWELLs The interest will be,--slightly. 24 over what the interest is charged to the city. A SPECTATOR: Well, I mean actually Is it e.ght - KIRBYA. KENNEDY — OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 218._IVORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 - - ,.,I; .e _ BUSINESS TEL. 439 -3220 EXT. 302 - - ,A�.',..,, RESIDENCE 439 -7147 z - 409 7 per cent, or over eight and--a half per curt? It 2 isn't any less than eight per cent is it? 3 COUNCILMAN PETERSON: The last two projects 4 the city had assessed was 6.25 per cent, 5 MAYOR POWELLs You are talking about bank 6 rates and municipalities get interest considerably 7 lower. 8 = 'ECTATOR=Does this same 10r.cent go for stree . and water? 10 MAYOR POWELL# Yes, we usual y use a 20�year it period, sometimes when the assessments are low 12 like $100.00, or.something, or $200 or $300.00 13 we may only go five, but I am not uite certain q 14 the council would go 10 years in a situation like 15 thu . is All those in favor say aye. 17 (At this time ayes were voiced 18 with the exception of Councilman . 19 Peterson.). v0 MAYOR POWELLs Opposed? 21 (at this time Councilman Peterson 22 n voted-.:-)-..- 23 MAYOR PDWELL3= The nmtion is carried. MR. MARSHALLs Councilman Balfan -z, COUNCILMAN BALFANZ: Yes. KIRSY -:A. KENNEDY -- OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 2l8 'NORTH FOURTH STREET, STI:LLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 BUSINESS.TEL. 439 - -3220 EXT. 302 - RESIDENCE X439 -7147 409 74 yW r..t. 1 MR. MARSHALL: Councilman Peterson. 2 COUNCILMAN PETERSON: No. 3 MR. MARSHALL: Councilman Thompson, 4 COUNCILMAN THOMPSONt Yes. 5 MR.. MARSHALL: Councilman 16hiers. s COUNCILMAN;WOHLERSs Yes. 7 MR. MARSHALL: Mayor. Powell. MAYOR POWELLt Yes. 9 10 13 14 15 16 17 is 1s 20 - 21 22 - 23 - ..f 24 25 z - KIRBY A, KENNEDY - OFFIC+AL COURIk`-REPOi Eft 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, 5TI.LLw TER; ,!I1WNKSOiA,53'OB2 - .. ..; BUSINESS :TEL 439.3220, E'A'{':-30A -- RESI15ENCE:.$84- 7147 7 1 RECONSTRUCT MUNICIPAL >STATE.AID STREETS 2 - 3 4 -Lecal Improvement Number 109 5 MAYOR - -POWELLjT We will now proceed with - Local Improvement Number 109 affecting North 7 Second Street from East Myrtle Street to East' 8 Laurel Street; East Laurel Street from North 9 Second Street to East Third Street; North Fourth Street from West Myrtle Street to West Laurel . 1I Street. Mr. Elliott. 12 13 MR. ELLIOTT-: Mayor: and Council,ladies and 14 gentlemen: It would be good to review briefly 15 the policy with respect to assessments'of streets the 'City of Stillwater has adopted. An interior - 17` lot, or those lots between`'cornor -lots would 18 receive an assessment for each foot of frontage 19' abutting the` improvement.` A corr�er'slo_t`ri]:1 20 recQ3.ve„ a:asessment 0;f lab, per cent of its short _ 21 side and, 35 per cent of the long site regardless 22 „of the 4rientatian"of the house. And when we 23 refer tL4 _Per' foot - assessed- `c ©sts per 2 - 'f00_t we are referring to those costs. 25 The unusually 'shaped' lot, sometimes you, ave ¢ - .KIRBY A. KENNEDY — OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER - 216 NORTH FOURYI-`B.TR) =ET, STfL4W,�THIS,.,MINNE5OTA S6Ck82. - _ BU:311V£$$:CEL. 489 -,32Yq EXT. 302' REb1OENCE 438-714-'1 - �� 409 �i them in culdesacs or in this`case.as allowed to 2 occur rather than us in _the to frontage out, on g., 3 the. street we. would use the `frontage - at the building 4 setback line. There is very little of that in the 5 older platted area in the City of Stillwater.- s Local Improvement Number 109 covers the 7 improvement of municipal ,state: aid streets in $ three locations. The first on North Second Street 9. from Myrtle Street to Laurel;, the second on 10 North Fourth Street from Myrtle Street to Laurel i1 and the improvement of Laurel Street from ,Second 12 to'Third,`,a one block- improvement. 13 The slide on the screen now indicates t-he A 14 'proposed Construction. The- construction;.is 15 "- similar to that which occurred last year-on South; 16 Sixth Street and North Second street.o- .ndcat: 17 the proposed Width-as an average of 4a felt. ` We expect:`. that bath North Second:, and `North Fourth- 19 5 + et V�flizl?t b ,k _ se w e v eii .' y 'tl "ee and. Mulberry Street aiid "from' Mulberry 'to 'Laurel 21 and'On- "`those streets the width would-be decreased 2 to . approximately .-41 or 42 feet only with .the 23 approval of the Highway:rDepartment and-we ar..e- ' 24 meeting; with them on the this weeks V 25 The state did divis >a does, set fat -the Y _ K196Y A. ikENNtDY- OFFICIAL CE i'YR( RH ,#E - .216 NORTH FOURTHSTREET; STLLLWATER, -M YNFYE$OTA - BUSINESS TEL.' 439 -3220 - EXT. 302 RESIDENG4 A13A�7147 409 77 1 standards for municipal state aid streets with K 2 respect to width. The only way a narrower street 3 can be constructed is by f=estricting parking on 4 :.° one aide-, of the street. . This is similar to--the easterly,por -tiara of Myrtle Street, htutous 6 section from main westerly to Fourth St-ret 7 that is.a 36 foot wide area in there with'. 8 restricted parking on one side. Again on the 9 improvement on Laurel Street between Second and. 10: Third the right of way in that location is.50 11 feet in width and this location is a 36 foot street, 12 or thereabouts, perhaps 34, would -have to be 13 constructed beeause the right of way is.inadequa.te_ 14 in width to "•'construct a normal munici l state.. 15 aid 44 foot- wide.street which would provide two 16 parking lanes and two driving lanes. 17 So the council will have to consider a Is ,resolution restricting the parking on one .side 19 of Laurel -St and in accordance with state 20 aid requirements if a less "than a-44 foot wide. 21 municipal state aid street is-constructed the: � 22- parking. must be restricted on, -one. side.- -le`ss to - 23 the degree out to-, 36 °f bet: which provides for two 24 driving lanes and one parking Zane. ° 25 The structural section is shown here t -a. -= KIRBYA. KENNEDY -. OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER - 216 NORTH FOURTH STR$.ET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 BUSINESS TEL. 439- 3220': EXT. 302' : -= RESIDENCE 439.7147 total of 12 and a half inches of bituminous. 2 The state aid section calls for a'nine ton 3 axle load street, which is a street that iss.not 4 posted in the springtime to be used and there :is. 5 a. network within the- city of nearly eight miles; 6 of state aid streets at the present time.- The estimated cost for the state aid street is $15.00 8 per assessable foot. This does include replacing` 9 sidewalks where those exist with new 'sidewalks 10 and I think the entire route new sidewalks would it be required. In addition with respect to underl- 12 ground services we do have along the ,state aid 13 locations galvanized water services off from 14 the cast iron mains._ We, .do have 'a last' of . those, ` r 15 they are reflected in the estimates and those 16 services would have to be replaced -where they 17 do exist. We do have the addresses of the present 18 dwellings, they are less than-the 42 indicated. 19 This was a preliminary figure. If you live on 20 a state aid street proposed for zmprouement,. the 21 assessment would be ,$15.`00 per front foot plus 22 a cost of $255.00 if ou.. have a y galvanized service -° 23 which must be replaced. If your present service 24 is,.copper, then ;nothing would be done with the 25 service, _ KIRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL. -COURT REPORTER - -. 216 NORTH; FOURTH.. STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 BUSINESS TEL. 4.39 -3220 EXT. 302. -. •. ` .RESIDENCE 439 -7147 409 79 1 There are two vacant properties within the 2 improvement for which sanitary sewer services 3 would be provided at an estimated cost of.$22Q.00 4 per service. ' 5 MAYOR FOWELLs Mr. Elliott, the width of 6 Laurel Street and as you have it.planned then -71 would not cause any, maple trees tobe Put-down, $ is that correct 9 MR. E111OTT to .< I cannot answer that at the 10 present time, Mayor, we haven't started on the li detailed map at that location. _ I would hope that 12 is "true-.. boc-ausl Aerever possible.-we are avoiding 13 the trees, but again it's a 50 foot, -way of way. 14 If you put a 36 foot street. in, that leaves.only.- 15 a seven foot boulevard and if have a four-foot 16 walk, this still leaves you,:¢y "a three foot 17 geenway strip and we.would only be luck if those' 18 streets really at the present time run down in 19 that location, but if at all, possible,. we are 20 going to avoid the trees. Again, -` on both .Second 21 and Fourth and Laurel there are miter: problems 22 in that we safely have a 6o,.'foot right of `way ;on 23 Second and Fourth an0 a 50 .foot right of way on 24 Laurel. This is a patted right of way but there 25 are in some instances what I call encroachments on' KIRBY.A KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COt3RT REPORTER - "`^ 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STJLLWATER, MINNE$DTA 95082 _. BUSINESS TEL. 439 -3220 EXT. 302 RESIDENCES 439 -7147 409" 80 1 the right of way created many, many years ago, created by private proper-ty"whinh. encroach, a 31 foot or two on "to the right of way which_tend.to 4 reduce the space we have in which to construct 5 "the street.. ' Therefore, this is thereason we art: going to the State and asking for a reduction " 7 in the normal 44 foot wide requirement down to S something within the range between Wand 44 feet '- 9 that they will allow us to negotiate within that 10 range. only without restricting parking. 11 MAYOR POWELL: But with restricted parting 12 you would get down to _ 'what'? 13 ME. ELLIOTTs They recommend' 36 foot wide 14 street, • or two driving lanes and one-parking, 15 lane. Again, on Laurel you are going to_' ask 1s that a consideration "be given to reduce this-,to. 17 34 and we think we can prove :our ;case, . 1s MAYOR POWELLs If anyone--has any ques.`t.ions, 19 once again I would remind you to give your name, 20 address each time that you address the council. 1 MR. FENTIMAN: Allen Fentimana 208 North 22 Harriet. I-have just one question about can the 23 lighting in the back of.the stage itself .be turned 24 off, we are having difficulty in .seeing this 25 from" back here. 'KIR9Y A, KENNEDq'— OFFICIAL COi1RT REPORTER 218'NORTH,.f61JRTW 5TRE£T, STILLWATER, `MINNES`OTA SoOPa " - ;HUStNESS: TEL. 43$ -3220 Ff%Y: 302` - RESMENCE 439- 7147'.- - 70 9 81 1 MAYOR POWELLr_ We will work at that,..thank 2 you. . 3 MR. CASEYt Neal Casey, I live on 107 East 4 Laurel., In connection with this SO feet- -I tried 5 to measure it myself last night and it looks to 6 me like it's SO feet from wall to-wall, one side 7 to the other. Is it possible that any of those 8 walls would be torn down at anytime if that 30 9 feet -- if there was an encroachment there? 10 MR'. ELLIOTT:, When we constructed on North 11 : Second Street we have the very.same problem in 12 the one part of the city. The walls are 13 encroached afoo.t to a foot and a half. We 14 requested the State to allow us to build a 40 -foot', 15 street in that case,- Therefore, the sidewalks " 16 did not, start at the property line which presents - 17 facts similar to the _ con.ter of .,the wall s.Q we~• 18 did in fact stay away from the. wall -s, -and we', had 19 a little green strip .in there, or we pave 'right 20 up ;to it with con ixe`t ::we are rx ot 1 appearing to disturb the walls,, 22 MR. CASEY: In our .case also the; sidewalk 23 is .right next to the wall, 24 MR EIOTTr I would- -suspect ire: would -- 25 let us say ire are constriiet,ing a foux foot- walk 4hd kjRBY A KENNEDY - OFF1 (AL COi4i#;' ;fQEBfiRTER - 218 NORTH FOURTH. STREET, STILtwATEfi, * NkESOTA 55082 BUSINESS TEL. 439.8220 "T_302 - RESIDENCE. 434-7t47 4 -09 $ 2 1 they may be four and a half feet away from the 2 wall. We would construct and have a joint a half I 3 a foot away; from the wall and then we would fill 4 the remainder with concrete so we would ave concrete right ,tap to the , 11..' s MR. CASEY; Okay. If we have a :3. foot 7 strip there and you :say a normal four and a half ` 8 sidewalk 9 MR. ELLIOTTT: :Four. 10 PIER. CASEY: Four, so that would >leave us 1I now we.are down to 42 and what would be the 12 normal parking, or bouleva.d, or would there be any between that and the -sidewalk? { 14 MR. ELLIOTT s We would more` =.than likely 15 talk with the State on - �, -34 foot wide street � 16 which provides two 12 -foot travel lanes and a> 1 ,.- 17 ten foot parking lane, which would give ue4, � . 18 The remainder is lo,Ghowever, curbs are about j 19 a half a foot thick so we lose a total of one 20 foot, so you have is left, or seven and a half 21 feet on either side of the street remaining. j 22 If-you put in a-' four foot wide walk abutting _ 23 the property line and you have a three and a half- 24 foot boulevard so we-would-probably ' -- if there I � 25 are encroachments_,on the right of- way with the r - - KIRBY A. KENNEDY — OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER I - i .216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 � . BUSINE sm i6 4'd 8- 3220- Eac't:-302 - 7tESYDENCE 438`:14';• c l 409 '83 1 wall, we would lose that dimension in thE. boulevard. 2 MR. CASEYa low, 'Just for apoiPt of information - 3 doe it ever happen:thaV you 'do not measure from 4 the center of the street, is it possible to have more footage on 'one of the.streets? This is an 6 unusual situation on;I,el._ Is it possible to 7 have:. more dotage on one: side khan t he other s side if the individuals involved would =agree 9 that' that would not be a prob iem? 10 MR. ELLIOTTs It is possible do it I1 with the residential streets,, However, the e. 12 munici al state aid d F ,streets, which are really 13 the arterial streets of he city ty system,,we are 14 - really under the scrutiny of the Mate in. our 15 design and we shift the street at; one end of f 16 Fourth Street. Novi, Laurel is a municigal. state 17 aid; street all the way from Second over west to I8 Owens, which is a substantial 1engt.h. The right 19 of way is 50 feet "throughout its entire length 20 with one exception aril ;that is between Third and 21 Fourth it's 70 feet, s© anything we do ori`the 22 first block we might be committing ourselves to 23 from the standpoint of having a cbntinuous'center 24 line and full of traffic we mght_.be committing 25 ourselves to doing that in the net .block and -the .; - KIRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 216. NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 5508Q - _ - BUSINESS TEL. 439 -3220 EXT. 302 • -- -- - RESIDENCE -439 -7147 I" 409 84 1 next block and the newt so I can-!t say in absolute. 2 no, but whatever length they propose migh-t suit 3 the whole route and if that is the. se, that could 4 be done. 5 MR. CASEY: Are the; - sidewalks automatic on s that particular street there .on Laurel, dfl we-need'-'- . 7 v. sidewalks for sure? _- 8 MR. ELLIOTTs The sidewalks, have generally 9 been put in where sidewalks present17. ` exist and lU in most cases they are in a state of deterioration, 11 they should be replaced. I believe s- idewalks .. 12 exist on -both sides of Laurel,. do they not? 13 - MR. CASEYv So ;just- for, clar4 -fic tiox� again 14 ` we are looking at "approximately 34. 1 feet at this 15 stage on Laurel? 16 MR. ELLIOM Yes. 17 1s MRS. ROG: I'm Mrs. James Rog and-- I, live at = 19 503 North.Fourth Street. I have been talking to 20 the neighbors and all these people that are"* 21 going `to get this assessment- on our-street- -- I 22 own 150 feet on Fourth Street. Now the question 23 that so : many of them didn't understand is._ if they . 24 resurface this street and put in these new side - 25 walks, is the storm sewer going _ to ;be. going in 'at KIRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL. COURT REPORTER 4 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET,: STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55482 BUSINESS TEL 439.3220 EXT. 302 " '� - - .RESIDENCE 439 -7147 409 85 - , r - ' 1 the same time, or will the = 2 MR. ELLIOTT: No, the storm -sewers - would - _ 3 precede the street improvement and that was the 4 reason that this street mprovement was held off 5 until ,this itime, 'because now we. know we are gGing i 6 ahead with the`storm sew imprq pent and the 7 street can now be improved and logically can, be 8 done,as almost concurrently in that if we s were to put the storm sewer in, let's -say';- if. we 10 put the storm seer in last yparTi ' what we would 11 have had to have done ,was to restore :the surf oe. 12 with. bituminous-,_ - this wt►uld - add ,cost to t-b# ^ project.,-next- year if e � -,would reconsk%o, 14 street. We.would in .fact tear up thy- restoration 15- that we -had just; done, so rather than that we 16 recommend to the council that any sheetainly 17 must wait until the underground work is done and 1s very possibly should be donp,as a part of a single 19 contract., same contract woulyc putt in; 20 storm:- sewer `and seen. 21 MRS .. ROG: W111 the $15.00 includes. this 1 22 $15,. 00' per i'oo,` would that " include the storm 23 sewer, too? ;. 24, MR EL:LIOTT s No, it does not', 25 MRS. ROGt Yes, right now as it stands it ' - - - KIRBY A KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER .- - -.. - 216: NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOT; 55082 _ BUSINESS TEL 439 -3220 EXT. 302 RESIDENCE 439-7147 Q 86 1 would hit me $3,000.00 and that -- including they 2 are going to do with Cherry Street. 3 MAYOR-POWELLs You misunderstood. You would 4 only be: assessed for 35 per cent of that 150 because 5 that's your side yard. Your house faces Cherry. 6 MRS. ROGs My house ---I have 150 feet on 7 Fourth Street from the corner of Fourth Street. s MAYOR POWELLs How much on Cherry? MRS. ROGs I have 75 feet on C -.eery Street. 10 MAYOR POWELLs You would be assessed for 11 35 per cent then of the 150. 12 MRS. ROGs For the storm sewer? 13 MAYOR POWELLs No, for the storm sewer 14 improvement. 15 MRS. ROGs How about reconstruction'? 16 MAYOR.POWELLa That's your side yardand 17 <you only get assessed for 35 per cent. The long is side you get assessed for 35 per cent; of that, 19 the storm sewer is the flat figure of -- we use 20 roughly - $$20Q. 00 with the'..-federal 'aid. , 21lRS. ROGs And so this - actually wouldn't r -cost me 'actually $15, 00 a foot for that 150 feet? 23 MAYOR POWELLs It would cost you = '$15.00: a 24 -foot for 52 foot. 25 MRS. ROG: For 52 feet and does that include. - -- KIRBY A. KENNEDY -- OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER - -- ? - • ::- 218. NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 53082 "! - BUSINESS'TEt 434 -3220 EXT. 302. . RESIDENCES. 439.7147 ' . 409 87 1 everybody, that owns this across the Street? 2 MAYOR POWELLs If their house fronts on 3 Fourth Street, they pay-the full assessment. 4 MRS. ROGs My long.side is on Fourth Street,_, 5 sir. MAYOR ,POWELL: Yes. 7 MRS. ROGs So I pay the ' full.ass -essment ?` 8 MR. MARSHALL: The assessment policy in the 9 city- no, matter where your house faces your long 10 side is,-considered your side yard. 11 MRS. ROG,j My front door is.,on_Tourth Street, -, 12 MR. MARSHALL s It doesn't make any 'd.ifferencp. 13 14 MAYOR- POWELLs Does anyone else wish to be 15 heard? 16 MR. SIMONETs I would like to ask. why you 17 make Laurel? 18 MAYOR POWELL s Joe Simonet is t1 e name of 19 this genthetan. '20 MR. ELLIOTT: 10ars ago ' about ten 1 et' say �- 21 15 between l0 and when the municipal, state 22' aid system was established in the State, each 23 community designated state aid routes within 24 communities,. these have been established for mater 5 years in= Stillwater and the network was established ' KIitBY..A �KENNIE4Y -- OFFICIAL GOfiR7 REPO 777, - XI: WORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, mim"ESOTA 55682' _ BUSINESS TEL. 439 -3290 -EXT. 302 RESIDENCE 439 -7I4:7 409 -88 1 in order that there be a fair balance of east- : west and north -south stxeetsoX`rtr�ar 3 Laurel Street has been a state aid street. "n the 4 City of Stillwater since its congeption,. 5 MR. SIMONLT Yeah, I know thhat, but "things 6. =° do change-'in 15 years. I am retired so I`sit 7 in the window up there enjoying mys elf. and looking s out on to Laurel and Third.and 90 per, cent of 9 the traffic coming down Laurel turns down Third 10 Street, but it's not used, .Laurs2 tQ.co "nd.,. 11 they'" a no heavy trucks come up-- there so' we 12 :. don't need a state aid road there, that's what d , 13 I'm-proposing that we cut out the state aid an 14 let's be a little sensible about.'how w� take 15 care of the street. 16 MR. ELLIOTT: I'm sorry, I don't have the 17 slide'of the total state aid street system here 18 this evening. i 19 MR. SIMONETs I don='t care about the state 20 aid, but I think it should be taken off. tie state 21 aid, we don't have; to go- down 13 inches and-dig a. Y $2 :out the ground and then. fill up with. rock and ' 23 blacktop and cover with wearing surface and 24 everything like that. That street. isn't used, 25 there is only ten per cent of the people that come KIRBY: A. KENNEDY --- OFFICIALCOURT REPORTER ' - 216 TtlOR'FH FOURTH STREET; STILLWA7ER, MINN&bTA 55062 - - 'BUSINESS TEL -A39 -3220 "EXT. 302, - .. -- L_ RESIO£NCE 439.7147 .409:' 89 1 down Laurel, or 'come up Second Street anti go., er 2 to Third Street that use that street, the _rest of 3 them all go down Third and come up Third and go -4 out Laurel. " 5 MR, ELLIOTTs I suspect the present use is s affected by the parking conditions and also the T surface conditions-on Laurel as\it.edsts today with. parking on both sides and a more restricted :9 width for drivinLi., 10 MR. SIM ©NET: Well, there-_ isn't any parking 11 down our way on both sides, the only .parking is 12 up 'where you have, your 70 root width street and 13 that' full of cars.' 14 MAYOR POWEJUs Mr. - S monet, if ;that stj ,e t, 15 -were not a state aid street,, the co st; would be 16 prohibitive to repair that„ 17 MR. SIMONET s Not if you just put a top on 18 it• 19 MAYOR POWELL t For ma y �r p 24 cone. ;,: has tr.d t `die- rack mea r� `up _ _ 21 . to .the, road surf ace and T know f V bm as lc� -22 have -lived :in Stillwater < -that that one block has 23. never. ever held any V ackto - or 24 more than one, yea;`," . It's- just a terriblete:M 25 0 repair, n- - KIRBYA. KENNEDY - . OFFICIAL COURT. REPORTER - 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESIDTA 55082 CBUSINESS TEL. 439 -3220 'EXT. 302 -' ' ` -- RESIDENCE 439 -7147 409 g0 1 MR;. SIMONETs You know something that's the 2 safest street in town, they slaw up when-they get - 3 there. 4 MAYOR POWELLs They might. -Does anyone wish 5 to be heard? s I might say just for the information-,of the 7 people here tonight that state aid streets are., paid for by the State, ,not in full, but to a large 9 degree and we charge, or we assess the people on 10 state -aid streets the same cos that it would 11 cost to construct a normal residential street-, - 12 They do get,a much better street'beeause the 13 qualifications set for by t^he ,State exceed those 14 that are set for the -- a normal residential 15 street _which are five or seven ton and they pay 16 just that share because'if they ware to.pay you 17 `for the cost -,of a street the way-the-..State requires 18 it, it would run what, Mr, Elliott, $ba; 00 4a _f0,0t? 19 MR. ELLIOTTs It a estimated at ,$69,.00 2a - A foot V that were _squally jiyljded on - each._ " 21 side of the street, :it would be , -40 $3 j per foot, 22 . MAYOR POWELLs LWeek- anyone. -else air sh to die 23 heed at this time? 24 25 MR. CHRISTENSON ", Alfrer Christenson S, my name K1RBY'A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER _ 216 NORTH kPURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 515082 -. .. - HUSINESS TEL. 439.3220 - EXT. 302' .. ` RESIDENCE 439 -7147 409 91 1 I (517 North Third Street). If the State wants - .,that 2 road that wide -- 3 MAYOR POWELL s Will you spew,, into the 4 microphone, sir? 5 MR, CHRISTENSON: If the State wants that 6 road that wide, why don't,they buy enough on both 7 sides to make it a road like they want. There _. 8 are three or four, trees and it's a high wall--- 9 the whole. lengthz cif it on the north side and We i have got the sidewalk about four feet wide and it our house is right next to that so they would 12 have to take it on the north side and they would 13 have to pay cash for that land I would think.` 14 MAYOR POWELL: Well the thought is, Mr 15 Christenson, that we would like to preserve; the 16 elf trees on that part of the street and because 17 the walls there and everything else and the is people are happy with the street >, thew ,it .'mss 19 if we can contact the Stag' and, they eay _yes, 20 you-can have a 34 foot street and we park only 21 on one sides that .ao:,unds like a simple, soTut an 22 because those maple `trees ire .old' aid it would =" f 23 be a real shame to take them down 'and ,we don-'t 24 intend to, 25 MR CHRISTENSON: Uncle Sam can pay 'or it -: KIRBY A. KENNEDY OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER _ 2161 -NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 33682 = BUSINESS -TEL. 439 -3220 EXT. 302." -. " - 'RESIDENCE 439 - 7147, 409 92 .? if, he- -owns the street. 2 MAYOR POWELLs No, it's the State that does 3 that and they are not that lenient with heir' 4 money. 5 MR CHRISTENSONa We11, I think it's a dirty 6 deal. 7 MAYOR'POWELLm Does anyone else wish to be $ heard? Mr. Elliott, s MR. ELLIOTT: I should mention one alternative 10 which I' neglected to mention and that is certainly 11 if all parking were restricted on theestreet on 12 Laurel between Second and Third the State would 13 require 26 foot wide street. This might be one 14 means of saving the trees. There is one example 15 of this in Stillwater and that is Pine Street at 16 its most westetly end just off from Alive where . 17 because of the topography we narrowed the street 18 down in that location, we are 26 feet wide, The 19 council in authorizing construction of that had. 20 to pass `a resolution restricting parking .to both 21 sides. 22 MAYOR POW19LL: I think. Mr. ga.sey, if I 23 understand you rightly, you-would,be willing to 24 . have the street closer to your side perhaps 25 abutting the ; sidewalk with the curb so that maple " KIRBY A. KENNEDY OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER gIS NORTH FOURTH STREET, 'STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 35082 • - J.` BUSINESS TEL. 439 -3220 EXT. 302. .;- RESIDENCE 439 -7147 4019 93 1 trees could be saved, is that correct? 2 MR. SINONETs The maple trees are all gone 3 now, 4 MR. CASEY: 1 would like to -:have an oppor- 5 tunity to replo.t this. The engirt -er referred 6 to the fact that there are cases "whem -%there. 7 cannot be trees and then restricted parking on 8 both sides. Is there any chance we can have s to graft this out and see what it would actually 10 look like? Unfortunately, when I measured in 1x the snow it was 'rather difficult from one- side 12 to the other. 13 MAYOR POWELL: I think the best thing to do-., 14 would be to come down. to. the City Hall- at, mother 15 time because this is taking considerable time 16 and we could give you 'a personal attention and 17 answer all the questions you have.and`we gill 1 continue with the hearing, I think that would 'be 19 the best way. 20 MR. SIMONET: I just wanted `te -ask you _ just - 21 one more -question. What ' kind of ' an affair would 22- we have to go through �tb. have the North a es 23 put those wires underground that they are running 24 through.-the-trees now and they have chopped them - 25 all to pieces. Is there any way you can get.them ?< '. KIR9Y A. KENNEDY — OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER s.. 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER'MINNESO`TA 55682 - $USINESS;TE(-.,439- -3220 EXT. 302' - .. - 72ESIOeNCE 489 - 7147'• 409 94 1 MAYOR POWELL:. .,I will refer that question to 2 Mr. Shelton,.our Public Works Director. Do you 3 know what the procedure is on that Jack ?, -4 MR. SHELTONs When new developments occur 5 they are very willing to put them underground, s but. it would-be very expensive where they are 7 located at this time to put them underground.` 8 Telephone has been put underground on North 9 Second Street. 10 MAYOR 'POWELL: Would it be-possible for 11 Northern States to do that while it was being 12 reconstructed? 131 MR. SHELTON: They could be'c.ontacted. 14 There is no advantage because they have to run 15 underground` into the house and in the development 16 when they run underground from their service in 17 the street to the residential, or where the house 18 is built, the charge actually .added on the 19 developer pays for it#; but he puts it-on the 20 cost of the lot. Novi, if he is-.s.going,to run -:into 21 Mr. Simonet's house,, or, Mr. Casey's.,._ or,, who is 22 ever located on this street, I.think it probably 23 would be rather high. . 24 ,. MAYOR POWELL: Did you hear - that, Mr. Simonet? 25 Mkt. SIMONET: Yes., I have heard ` it for the KIRBY A. KENNEDY — OFFICIAL-COURT REPORTER - - ' 21.6 NORTN.FOURTH STREET, ST4LLWATER, MINN Eso TA 55062 _ BUSINESS TEL. 439 -3220 EXT. 30Z - RESIDENCE 1 9- 71:47 _ -a last 20 years. 2 MAYOR POWELLt Well, the situation I guess 3 remains pretty much the same because if there is 4 an expense, somebody is going to have to pay and 5 it was done in those days above the ground and' 6 now when we want them underground, the cost is 7 going to be`quite high. Does anyone.,else wish 8 to be heard? 9 MR. CHRISTENSONs How much will that cost 10 us? 11 MAYOR POWELL t $15000 a running -foot. 12 MR.: CHRISTENSON i And I` haven't even got a 13 car to drive on the street. .14 MAYOR POWELLs If no one else wishes to be 15 heard, the hearing will -be closed -. The hearing _16 is closed and the councilman ; Peteraon has a 17 question. 18 COUNCILMAN PETERSON: I just have a question 19 on Laurel Street between Laurel Streetras an 20 exceptonaai._.high crown, more so than either Second 21 or . Fourth. Do you propose to cut that}. crown,- 22 down? 23 MR:,;ELLIOTTt Yes,; 24 COUNCILMAN PETERSON t How- far below. the-,-. 25 surface: of the. gr6und i the water and sewer- -_. KIRBY. A. KENNEDY -OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER �, .. 216 NORTH FOURTH: STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 53062 _ BUSINESS TEL, 43 'EXT. 302. - ' REB1 DE�fi1C.G 4'76.7147 _ - 409 96 1 MR. ELLIOTTI Water; and sewer that are there 2 should be down seven and a half feet. 3 COUNCILMAN PETERSON: If we cut this crown 4 down, we are not l0swering the sever we may run 5 into.a situation where the sewer 'and water may be like six feet and we may run into.- some lfreezing 7 problems, wouldn't we? MR. ELLIOTTa Well, we have `about a half- a 9 f oot,of latitude. Now, when we say the crown is 10 high; I'm not certain -- we have cross sections 11 of the job and 'I don't have,-hem here. 12 MR. PETERSON: The crown is considerably;. 13 higher? 14 MR. ELLIOTTa We are restricted to some 15 degree at the,property lines because certdnly 16 we must meet the grade of the boulevard itself 17 there so we send the yard drainage into the 18 gutter and street and if we drop; -the crown we -19 would have to drop the street. We have to go 20 down and expose some water mains. Sometimes 21 the crowns are raised up and developed over, a g 2 higher level . thro�zgh the years just through 23_ grading and matting,. 24 Q-MC IL PETERSON a I th on that one - ¢y 5 ` pehps- we should find out f just,,,., how deep the ate XIRSY. A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 2I6 NORTH-,FOURTH STREET, STII,.LYYATER, MINNESOTA E50" _ `BUSINESS TEL, 438- 32i!5� . EX;F. 302 - -_ - -A FSIDENCE 439 7,1417 4 8 1 MAYOR FOWELLs We can order the hearing -- 2 order the improvement contingent upon whatever - 3 action the highway d.epart.Ment might allow as- far - 4 as Laurel Street is concerned. 5 MR;. ELLIOTT: Yes, and further I would like s the council to view- Laurel Street throughout its 7 length since if we restrict parking on one side 8 in -one block we are establishing the restrictions; 9 throughout its entire length and I think we have 10 to consider the entire length when we start the 11 project. I have a recommendation for the council, 12 but I would -like the council to view it before I 13 would make that recommendation. 14 MAYOR- POWELLt we are not ordering the hearing 15 to proceed, All right, It has been recommended . 16 then that if we choose we may, order^ the hearing. 17 tonight -- may order the improvement: -by say nothing 18 about restricting parking until we .are aware of 19 what we must do, If that's the council's wish, 20 a motion would then be in order.` 21 GOUNCILMAN PETERSONI Mr. Mayor, I move we =x 22 approve project 109. 23 COUNCILMAN BALFAN7 s. I will° second. ,J F 24 MAYOR POWELL: The. motion has been made `and _ - .25 seconded that we order the improvement 109. All ` KIRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICIA L_C4'UR,Y REPORTER ,. 121612ORTA FOURTH STREET, 6TILLWATElY-,,MINNESOTA 55082 BUSINESS TEL. 459 -3220 EXT:; 302 - ,. "RESILIENCE 499 -7147 409 99 . those in favor say aye, 2 (At this time all members voiced 3 an aye.) 4 MAYOR POWELL: All in favor. Opposed? 5 (None opposed.) s MAYOR POWELLr Themotion_is carried'and`we 7 will now have roll call on the resolution. 8 MR MARSHALL: Councilman Balfan. -9 COUNCILMAN BALFAN2:. Yes. 10 MR. MARSHALLs councilman Peterson. 11 COUNCILMAN PETERSON: Yes, 12 MR. MARSHALL: Councilman Thompson, 13 COUNCILMAN THOMPSON`a Yes.. 14 MR.- MARSHALL: Councilman Wohlers., 15 GOUNC ILMAN'` WOHLERS c Yes. 16 MR, MARSHALL: Mayor Powell 17 MAYOR POWELL: Yes -. ` 1s 1s 20 # -• }a 22 " 23 4 24 - KIR$Y A. KENNEDY - ..OFFICtAi, COURT REPORTER, _ - - - X16 NORTH FOURTH STREET; -: STILLWATER, MINNESOV 35092 g ` - - BUSINESS TEL. 439. 3220 " EXT 302 RESIDENCE 439.7147 40' 1 RECONSTRUCT RESIDENTIAL STREETS _ 2 Local Improvement Number 110: : 4 5 MAYOR POWELL: This is the dayand` time set 6 for public hearing ;number 310, the reconstruction 7 of, residential streets,, The hearing is now open; 8 and we will have a brief explanation by Mr,.Elliott. 9 MR. ELLIOTTs The list of streets proposed. 1U for improvement of 1.,10 is a page and a half _long 11 depending on the wishes of the - council I.would 12 prefer perhaps to let the slide on the.screen 13 .indicate the locations of the work and then 14 specific questions as to locations come.up, we 15 can talk about them. 16 14AYOR POWELL: If anyone wishes to mt a copy 17 of project.110, the work to be done, we have them available if you don't; have one:, that way 19 we won't read the list and Pair. Elliott can continue 20 on that If there is a question on your street,' 21 -We will certtainly discuss it to any length that•'s 22 necessary. 23 MR. ELLIOTTs I will show -the slide .indicat3n `. f 24 the work which is proposed on those that. areri 25 reconstruct streets. K114BY A. KENNEDY -.- OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER - -216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA SSOB2- , BUSINESS TEL. '439 -3220; EXT..302 - RESIDENCE 439 -7147 1 I think that you are -all quite familiar witht} 2 the residential street improvement which was jurt: 3 completed last year and the pro.ject.beingtalked 4 about this evening is a continuation of that 5 improvement with a section shown on the screen. s We show two conditions on the typical sectinn, 7 one with existing stone curb and stebe gutter, 8 which is the case in many locations throughout 9 Stillwater. Those curbs have _a value as they 10 are not being removed and replaced for the reason = li that.the removal costs is great and in most cases 12 the stone curbs are stable and the stone gutters 13 provide a good basis for the surface over them 14 so in those locations we are keeping the stone 15 curb and gutter. In most cases we find that on is both sides of the street, it is not shown in this 17 section, and we will res'urface the street between 18 those gutters. In other locations where there is is no drainage control whatever in the way of 20 curb -we would, while in constructing a bituminous: 21 section totalling four and a half inches of 22 bituminous, we would construct a bituminous.curb,s` 23- It's a low curb. ,four inches high. in the back, r 24 two inches at the base and eight inches in width.,,:, 25 Now, this curb as it .,goes through driveways is KIRBY.A, KENNEDY - OFFICIAL, COURT REPORTER;''. _ - 21& NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLW4TER, MINNESOTA 55482 -t X. 'BUSINESS TEL. 439 -3224 EXT. 302. - t - RESIDENCE 439 -7147 w , 400 19-2. ` 1 lowered to -some degree, but yet the curb, does_ add to the driveways to control the drainage sor 3 that water will not enter the driveway-if the 4 driveway has a flat grade. 5 There has been-some discussion with the 6 council relative to sodding of disturbed areas, 7 The work does include :at the present time -- it- present 8 includes sodding, I would hope to include it 9 with a, greater-degree of control than we were 10 successful in in the past project to eliminate 11 some of the; problems that occurred'. The section 12 is 'estimated to 'cost $15.00 per assessable foot, 13 again with the same side yard credit as mentioned 14 previously, that= -being the long . side 65. per cent- 15 of that length is subtracted and you are only 16 assessed for 35 per cent of the long side of 17 your property. The cost of the streets last 18 year were $12.1Q per assessable foot, 19 MAYOR POVM L: I v r like to note that or have it known-that-we did ' get $c a letj<ers ., 21 objecting to the project from various,,people. 22 The council=' has received copies of" them and Mrs. 23 J. S. Lund, and Mrs. Roy Brulette and'a J 24 Kraemer, and St. Mary's church. and Mrs. -Edna 25 Frendan and these--,copies.-,have been given to the u council. - -KiRDY A- KENNEDY - OFFICIAk COURT REPORTER - 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55062 - t - BUSINESS TEL. 439 -3220 NEXT. 302 " RESIDENCE::439 -7142 t 9 l03 1 Anyone: Wishing to be heard may. be -heard at_ -_ 2 this time. 3 MR. WEEDAs My name is M. R. Weeda, 220 5 South Fourth Street. I -refer to the one item. - 6 in .the project,.:` %t's_,a_ block of Fourth Street 7 between West Olive Street and West Chestnut s Street. I recall attending'. a .- hearing,,,,,, Z .think 9 it was in December of 1970, as I ..recall, =of which 10 hearing, that binek --was deleted from this project,,; 11 or from the street project and . I wonder whirl 3 12 reinstated. It's a short block, it comes down 13 a steep hill and it's utilized very- little-as 14 far as any traffic is concerned, but -it's the 15 black south of Fourth Street betweenWest•Olive 16 and West Chestnut and that was deleted as a result 17 of some study. 18 C OUNC ILMA.N PETERS ON s That 11-s up ' on the `. 19 Chestnut hill, isn't it'? 20 MR. WEEDA: That comes dawn to Olive Street. Y. -z, 21 MAYOR POWELL, s ` I think that's just an error_ ' 22 because that was :deleted, 23 MR. WEEDAs Wel °l, I want to be sure of it 24 because if that's going to be pursu d,;as, project,. R 25 I stand to be assessed for quite. ;a bit of money.' , a KIRBY A..KENNEDY - OF:FIC IAL COURT REPORTER ' - 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWXTER, MINNESOTA 55082' r- BUSINES$ TgL. 43¢32`20 -EXT. 302 + y Ft95149NCE- 439 -7147 A09 4.10 �_ 1 and I don't use the street and neither do- most 2 my neighbors so I want to be sure that. .it has =h 3 been deleted from the pro j_ect. Can The given .-,that assurance tonight, 'Mr. Mayor by you and the 5 council? MAYOR POWELL: Welly- if someone ;objects to 7 a street and there is a I ,definite need for it 8 because a person objects, doesn't necessarily 9, mean that it's deleted. In yoursituation we 10 did delete it last time and I guess. the ss.tuation 11 hasn't changed, but I will not spec -t for the 12 council, I merely in my own thinking believe 13-. that i t' s perhaps one of the least : needed streets 14 and when the project -- whey .;we do.:come to a. 15 voting on this project, then it wild be decided 16 at that time. 17 MR. WEEDA: Thank you very much, 18 19 MR. HAL)(ORSON_: Paul- Halvorson, 2.08 .South 20 Fourth�Street. I am a neighbor of Mr Weeda's 21 and referring to the same little stretch of .s reet 22 we. -have' lived in the same place now for 20 yea]Z p 23 I vse`- it about two or three tithes when we are 24 looking at the property and I don't think I have 25 been on the street since, so ` I don't feel that- theme r KIRBY. A. KENNEDY — OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH. FOURTH.STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55062 BUSINESS TEL. 439 -3220 EXT. 302. - ,._ „ ,., +s•.,.. .. _ RESIDENCE 439.7147 a 409,_- 1 is too much need to go into a real expensive - 2 improvement down this street, This street is used 3 very little because it's,only one block long."_.` u 4 MAYOR POWELL: I would guess that in time if -° 5 the street, were never repaired, it -Npuld someday s then have to be vacated. 7 MR. HALVORSONs Well, suref, something would 8 have to be done with it, but I'm thinking about 9 the expensive type of improvement that you are 10 planning on doing now., 11 _ 12 MR. FIRMER: My name is Ken Fixmer, I live ' 13 at 628 South Third Street. _�u Could I request you _ 14 put on the lamer version of Locust StreEt from 15 Third and Fourth? I thought I saw one, earlier 16 enlarged.. 17 MR. ELLIOTTe We just have blow -ups on the 18 water main. 19 MR. FIXMERs. The situation ,I described I. 20 think perhaps most of the councilmen will be 21 aware af. We have alit le blip of a street,:.r} 22 Locust Street, indicated there between Third - 23 and Fourth. I would like to call the council`` 24 and- - Mayor's attention to the fact that St. Michaels " 25 School presently occupies the street as indicated'_,. KIRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER - 216 NORTH FOURTti STREET. STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 5SO82 " BUSINESS TEL. 439 -3220 EXT. 302. `RESIDENCE 439,7147 106'' 11' between Second and Third. In other words, the 2! chart -- the map there is not quite up to date. I 3i Is there any question from the council as to 4 i which street we are describing? 5 COUNCILI�iAN PETERSOPi s That's that little spur gravel road? ` IV -R. FIi', -DERs Little spur Roettggerb hive on 8 !� one end, we are just street property owners and 9 it abuts Willard Street immediately to the south 10 of me, of course, which is a major thoroughfare. 11 I would.suggest, for example, that this street 12 be vacated. I have a major street on each side 13 or my house. We have a petition here to add to 14 your list signed by all three of the property 15 owners which abut on this street, which does 16 request that this street not be improved and also 17 would be deleted from the project at this point. 18 T +AYOR POWELL s Would youlike to have that 19 vacated by any chance? 20 MiR. FIXPaERs There has been some discussion 21 of that and I don't know if any neighbors want �2 to comment on it at this point. 23 PaYOR POWELL: All the people that live on 24 that have that as their long side, do they not? 25 IVR. FI` <° I.2Rs There are -- that's correct, it's KIRBY A. KENNEDY -- OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 BUSINESS TEL. 439 -3220 EXT. 302 RESIDENCE 435 -7741 409 1 107 I technicaQ the long side, the other property owners 2 have their garages on it, I have mine on Willard. 3 MAYOR POWELL: The short side is either on 4 Third or Fourth? 5 MR. FIXMER: I believe that's correct, 6 1AYOR POWELL: So that you would then be 7 assessed onlY 35 per cent of that and this is one 8 of the streets that it was felt was a good time 9 to put them in the project because 4h. e rest of 10 that is absorbed by the total project so that 11 if this were done at any other time, you would, 12 pay 35 per cent of it -- well, you woAld be 13 assessed for the whole thing unless it were 14 thrown into a large project like this. 15 RR. Fl=ERs May I ask what the reason would 16 be, for example, with Willard Street 60 feet awwy. 17 and cominF to a point on Fourth? 18 NAYOR POWELL: Well, the only thing that the 19 -- the council's feelinps have been to upgrade 20 every street, now if the street is so short and 21 insignificant then it shoQld immediately be 22 upFraded or vacated and because it does come real 23 close to Willard, it's used very little, but 24 if it is used it's difficult for the council to 25 sit and say Ventlemep, your streets can be gravel. KIRBY A, KENNEDY OFFICIAL, COUR-f REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET,. STU.L.WATER, MINNESOTA 55082 B"INIMS TEL 43 A"D "V 302 RENDENCE 4390147 409 1108 I and -- no, yours has to be improved. So we have 2 to treat everybody the same way and when we have 3 a gravel street, the enFineer—�ooks at it, he 4 includes it in a street improvement program, 5 it's put in. without any thought given to the 6 people that live on it if it's a street that needs 7 improvement it I s put in the plan, 'but if' it shoi.,LU 8 ever be done on a smaller project, the cost is 9 goinU to be more because if it was just the io three of you and it was done by itself you would Il be paying the whole thing. 12 EvIR. F'I';,:1VERi Maybe I didn�t ask the questio)n 13 right. I say, is there any leFitimate need at 14 this point for the city to have that as another 15 thoroughfare? 16 MAYOR POWELL: I beg your pardone 17 MR. FIXIER: Is there any need at this point 18 for the city to have this as another major 19 thoroughfare for that area? The school has closed 20 that street off to the east, 21 11YOR POWELL: I don't think it's the feeling 22 of the council that because it is paved or 23 improved it becomes a thoroughfare, it's improved 24 because it's an unimproved street and the council 25 may give some special consideration to this and, KIRBY A. KENNEDY --- OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTI-I STREM STILLMMTEW MMNESOTA 55082 BMINIMS WO 4"A220 my Wz RENDENCE 4390147 409 1 log 1 they certainly will note your objections, but it 2 Was put on for that reason. I won't say the 3 council won't do that, I have just indicated why 4 it was put on and it is a short street and perhaps 5 should be given some consideration. 6 HR. F17MERs If, for example, we were to 7 vacate the street -- 8 RAYOR POWELL: If you were to ask for 9 vacation of a street, you would have to get over, A 50 per cent of the property owners to submit a 11. petition to vacate and then it would have to be 1.2 acted on by the council and if that was the case, "owners 13 then the property would divide the street 14 in half and one side would get up to the cent er 15 line and the other side would haNc to get up to 16 the center line then it would have to be put into 17 some condition that would indicate that it wasnl� 18 a street, 19 MR. FITMER: Might this one -- you do have 20 a lot of the people here toniEht, we should leave 21 our request with you now and pet all three property 22 cwners together and perhaps come down to your 23 meeting at some point? 24 MAYOR POWELL: Well, I suppose that our nex t 25 council meeting will.be the 23rd of this month, KIRBY A. KENNEDY --- OFFICIAL, COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, s-ruLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 BUSINESS TEL, 439-3220 EX T'. 302 RESIDENCE 4390147 I If we noted that there was an indication that 2 maybe this street was to be vacated we could 3 either order the project in its entirety, or 4 do what streets we feel we should and then give 5 you an opportunity if you wish to submit a petition 6 for vacation. I think the council -- I have the. 17 only mike, but that doesn't sound like an unreason- 8 able request. 9 1R. FILMER: Okay. I will love this siEned. 10 petition with you on the deletion of the project. M 12 (1 MRS. BERGENDAH0 Mrs. Geno BerEendahl, 623 13 South Fourth Street. We do have a problem I don't 14 think the street could be vacated, it's our only 15 way and VcHatt di. e's only way to got into the 16 garages, so it can't b e vacated and not be a, 17 street, but we do have a problem with thewater 18 coming off of Fourth Street coming off of Willard 19 Street and something should be done to alleviate 20 that water coming and we have nothing but ruts 21 and we have water five or six months out of the 22 year it's mod and now we have just got a lot of 23 water in there, it's going to make ruts unti.1 24 spring. 25 RAYOR POWELL: I slapposo if you vacated the MRBY A. KENNEDY -- OFFMIAL COURT REPORTER NORTH FOURTH STREET STWLWATER, MMNESOTA 5SOS2 B"MMS VEL 4MQ=0 EAR 302 RENDENCE 439a147 um I street and you used it for a driveway you would. 2 probably have to close off one end or the other 3 so people wouldn't travel through 4: MRS. BERDENDAHL: Well, yeah, the only way 5 it could be vacated would be just part of it 6 vacated because we do have to get out of ou:c 7 garages in the middle of the block. 8 MR. MARSHALLa You could grant private 9 casements to yourselves, but you can talk about 10 that at a different time, 11 1MYOR POWELLi When you look at the whole 12 problem, it might be easier if you just have it 13 paved, it wou3d be lous expensive the way VL; 14 sounds to me. 15 MRS. BERGENDAHL: We will have to have a 16 discussion because if it were to be graded and 17 we still had all this water in there and had it i8 paved r. t would take years for the water to go 19 out because Fourth Street is high and so is "illard 20 strebt. 21 MAYOR POWELL: If the street were improved, 22 that problem would be resolved then because we 23 wouldn't let the water stand in there like it does 24 now and if you were to blacktop your own driveway, 25 you certainly wouldn't Fat it for any less thar KMEY K 1%NNEDY --- OFF CFAL COURT REPORTER NORTH FOURTH STREET', STMLWATEW MHANESOTA 55002 BUSMW5 TEL. 439M220 "A 302 RESMENCE 439-7147 409 1 :],-12 -1 35 por cent of the total amount. 2 MR. FITMER: Just one question. The sbrevl-,; 3 itself in its present form is approximately the 4 width of two cars, you do have a city no parkinp 5 sign on this side of the street. Is a stre& 6 ever improved in that, rarT.-ovv arc a, would 17 we be forced to 8 DAYOR POWELL: Well, it's quite possible 9 that the street as it is has a larFer right of` 10 way than you are awaro oF, il VR, YTUAR; We are aware it has a 50 foot 12 right of way. !3 aAYOR POWEII; if that were the case A 1.4 wouldn't be that way, 1.5 MR. ELLIOTTi The minimum we have is 32 foot 16 Oth some exceptions, but an previous projects 17 it 24, but in most cases tho minimum is 32, whi&h, 18 really provides for two driving lanes and one D parking. 20 MAYOR POWELL: But actually i think probably 21 your best thi, to do would be to come in and 22 t1.{- to D'ir. ',,-)helton, some day during the wuek and 23 he could explain to you and show you what coul(I 244 be done and what's involved in a vacation and. 25 what expenses m1uht rovert back to you if you did, KIRBY A KENNEDY --- OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 210 NORTH FOURTH STREW, STILLWATER, MMNESOIA 55052 BUSINESS TEL. 439-3220 EXT. 302 RENDENCE 4390147 400 1 11 .1 that as far as a driveway is concerned becausc., 2 we are talkinp hare about anindividual's probleoi 3 and if you would like, I can't see where you miphl-, 4 not hold this in abeyance at least until our 5 next council meeting. 20 MR. FItMER: From the engineering standpoint 2:1 6 KR. FIKWER: I Euess you do have our formal. 7 request to hold that. Will 12. FIKEER: I say because of the total expense you lot us know on 8 that? 9 PA CR :@::'OWELD To do that, 10 FR. FIZVERi I say, you do have a writ tere. 11 reguest to hold it in abeyance, are you sayinp 12 that you would do that this eveninr'' 13 KAYOR POW HIS: I again am only speaking fa_r 14 nWself, but that does not appear to be an 1.5 unreasonable request, now I believe at the time 16 if you came-back to our next council mooti,,, 17 it wouldn't affect the project so that we could 18 either include it or delete it, whichever the 19 council felt. 20 MR. FItMER: From the engineering standpoint 2:1 the street would be widened from its present 22 20 feet? 23 MAYOR POWELL: Very likely it would be 24 widened to some degree. 25 12. FIKEER: I say because of the total expense KIRBY A. KENNEDY — WFICML COURT REPOMMR 27S NORTH FOURTH STRWT, STMLWATER, MMNESOTA 55052 BUMNESS TEL. 439a220 EXT. 302 REWDENCE 439-7147 409 1 iS, I of putting in curbs, C', _t cetera. 2 EAYOR POWELL: Again, you have to ostablish 3 some sort of a systom, you have 36 feet wide 4 ® we try to add hore to that bec Sawa. s(o 5 sometimes somebody will park there, if it's too 6 narrow they can't get through, or if you are 7 talking about snow renmval in the winter, an .1 8 part of it an the long part than the street, 9 becomes narrow so it would only be a one-way street 10 in the winter so we have to allow for this, too. 11 MR, KYWERs Thank you, Uentlemen. 12 JAYOR POWELL: You are welcome. W, 14 AR. LCHMER: Leo Lohmer, 303 West Olive Street. 15 1 just want to ask a few questions, On Olive' 16 Street for the property I would like to ask a, 17 couple questions as to what would be the difference 18 between concrete and asphalt. I think in the 19 City of Stillwater -- I know it costs more, but 20 i think concrete in the long run is going tosave 21, us a lot of money, 22 1AYOR POWELL: We are talking about Olive 23 Street? 24 MR, ELLIOTT: Concrete pavement? 25 MR. Yeah., what would be tho difference KIRBY A. KENNEDY -- OFPfCBAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH s,rREET, STILLWATER, VHNNESOTA 55082 BUSINESS TEL, 439- 32,20 EXT. 302 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1.1 12 13 14 1.5 16 17 is 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 409 1 11 NR. ELLIOTTs We have made a comparative estimate and I can't say w did this when we were doing some of the municipal state aid work on hyrtle Street at that time. I'm sure the costs have risen probably equally from bituminous over concrete approximatelY 50 per cent greater far., concrete than for bituminous. Then, too, we are talking of if yuu put concrete in, then youi. are putting in a curb which is usually referred to as an integral curb, that's a curb an top of the pavement, that is an addition that you have. With,bitumirous we are proposinE just a bituminous lip curb which is some 60 cents per lineal foot on the property. P& LCHMEN And it's all washed down in one storm. We may get involved again in something like that. The expense is greater, I'm just asking the question, And another thinp why couldn't we cut down the size of the sidewalks and give- us a fairly decent street since very few people use the sidewalk, We have just three foot -- or four feet on the side and it makes A so two cars canyt go up there. MR. ELLIOTT: That's the reason we are talking about a 32 foot wide street, which is almost a MRSY A. KENNEDY -- OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 296 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATEI MINNESOTA 55082 BUSINESS TEL. 439-3220 EXT.. 302 RESMENCI 439"9 P,.7 409 1 116 I universal width and in the metropolitan area now 2 in all new developments they have gone to 32, which 3 really provides for one parking lane and two 4 driving lanes. 5 DR. LOHMERs You say one pay: kinF lane? 6 HR. ELLIOT0 Yes, one is all, and, of course, 7 there is no restriction. Of course, you can't 8 stagger all the way down the street one on one 9 side and one on the other, but two cars can pass 10 opposite a parked vehicle. il Well, normally in the wintertime 12 you are lucky to get one car parked. 13 1 was going to ask you another thing. On 14 South Fifth Street was that eliminated, or was 15 that something else now? 3.6 EAYOR POWELLs No, that was eliminated. 17 18 AR. ANDREWSt ly name is Roland Andrews, 19 1 live on "the corner of Holcombe and Willard 20 (518 South Holcombe), Why don't you take two 21 blocks of Willard when we have a r ace track up 22 there from Holcombe to Martha? 23 MR. ELLIOT0 The street is on the project 24 because we felt the condition — 25 MR, ANDREWSs Why just the two blocks'',' KIRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICtlAL COURT REPORTER 215 NORTH FOURTH STREET, s-I-ILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 BUSINESS TEL. 439-3220 EXT. 302 RESIDENCE 439-1147 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1.1 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 409 kn"17 DR. ELLIOTT: The rest has been matted. ON. ANDREWSt It's so rough you can't even. sleep nights from Holcombe to Third, or Fourth Street. Why fix two blocks when the rest of it is bad? MR. SHELTOA That street was matted not more than five years ago. IVIR. ANDREVISt Seven years ago it was dug up by Moolter and then it was reground down and that's all that was done on it, lv-R'. SliELTON: I disagree with what you say. P.R. ANDRE',4S: Holcombe Street is nothin', but a bunch of pot holes and holes it tears your u ars apart. RR. SHELTON: Willard Street had to be matted, from Fifth to Willard and within the last five years. VR. 1trNDREW0 Yes, but most of this is from Rolcombe or Fourth Street. MR. ELLIOT0 This pear hals could go in a iTaintenance area rather than total reconstructed, I have driven all of these streets. Needless to say we have to and I am not familiar with exactly whit conditions you refer to this evening, but at the time this project was inventoried we had KIRBY V KEM"DY -- OFFPCUL CO"T REPORAWR 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET SV"WA"R, WNMSMA SSM2 BUSINESS TEL, 439-3220 EXT. 302 RE51D5NCE 439al47 409 1 118 I some on the matting cafe Eory and some reconstructed. 2 And I don't believe that street was put in the 3 matting category, We tried to be very conservative 4 in our estimate. We didn't want to do anything 5 today that could wait for a few years, too. 6 MR. ANDREWS: That street shouldn't be waited 7 on at all, it should be done, 8 9 1,,1R. HUIVI'I<IGTHTAKE3 Tom Huninghake, 924 North 10 Fourth Street. I have a question. How come 11 you are separating the sewer from Laurel Street 12 south on. Fourth but there is no assessment north 13 on Laurel Street. Is this an oversight, or they 14 are not going to do it? , 15 MR. ELLIOTT: Are you talking about storm 16 water separation? 17 MR. HUNINGHAKE: Yes. is MAYOR 'OWELL: I said earlier this evening 19 that just because they are not tearing up your 20 street doesn't mean that we are not providing 21 for storm water drainage. 1n some cases it runs 22 down the curb and then it goes into a catch basin. 23 In other cases they have to go into a storm pipe, 24 but the whole area that's involved does get 25 assessed whether the pipe goes past your property KIRBY A. KENNFDY — OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER MG NORTH FOURTH S"EET, STI"WAMR, WNWSOTA 55082 WISMESS TWO 43 n"C EXT. 302 RESIDENCE 43DA147 409 1119 I or not, isn't that correct? 2 MR. ELLIOTT: There are some properties that 3 drain into the storm sewer system. 4 D0. HUNINGHAKE: Each person then south of 5 Laurel gets assessed $220.00 for separation of the 6 sanitary sewer, right? 7 WAYOR POWELL: The exact figure has not beert 8 figured yet. 9 1111,1111,1("HAXE: It's estimated. Why wouldn't 10 those people on North Fourth Street, north of' il Laurel get assessed the same way? 12 MAYOR POWELL: They do. 13 RK HUNINGHAKE: Why isn't it on the present 14 proposal'? 15 AAYCH POWELL: This is water service. 16 1 Iv,R, HUN'."ENGHILKE i From North Fourth Street 17 south of Laurel some people are paying $225.00 18 for sanitary sewer systems, which is the separation 1.9 of --- 20 NR. MARSHALLi That is not separation, 21. COIJE,I'CILIV(AN' PETERSON: That is not separation. 22 AR. HUNINCHAKE: Okay. What is the figure 23 that we will be charged on separation on North. 24 Fourth Street on Laurel? 25 MAYOR POWELLi The original cost estimate was KtlRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 215 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082, BUSINESS TEL. 439-3220 EXI. 302 RESIDENCE 4343 -7➢47 409 1 120 1 $395. 00 pei,�, in-ft. ] f we get foderal ald of 50 pal,, 2 cent it will be roughly $200.00. We did get 3 $600,000 ant some odd dollars so we are lac pinp, 4 that that will be half of it, which would make 5 the cost down to $200,00. 6 j-J1UNING�11AKE: About $200,00, thank you, 7 NAYOR POWELL: You're welcome. 8 9 MR. BLISS: Fred Bliss, 231 East Commercial, 10 Avenue betwoen North Fain Street and North Second 11 Street. This is charged as a residential street, 12 however, this is definitely in the business 1.3 district with heavy traffic by loaded meat trucks 14 and oil trucks. What will the street design be? 15 ER. ELLIOTT: We constructed Water Street 16 in the previous improvement and we did have ar 17 increase in -tHf,,,,kres,,--, on that -- on Water Street is previously and I expect we might have to do the 19 same thing an Commercial. 20 U. BLISS: Will it be equivalent to state, 21 aid construction? 22 VE, ELLIOTT's No, I do not think so. 23 MR. BLISSe All right. Do you think -- 24 IN. ELL IOTTi We will. attorript to do soi,,ie'thiT.q.,, 25 less than that, but it would not be the equivalent KIRBY A. KENNEDY -- OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILIWATER, MMNESOTA 55082 BUSINESS TEL. 439-3220 EXT, 302 RESIDENCE 4390147 409 1 121. 1� to the state aid nine ton axle load. We must 21 use that standard on state aid, I think I would 3 like to use s Came; thinF less for Commercial Street 4 within a city when we have that successful. 5 !`, R. BM Ias a study been made of the 6 area of the water problem? I spoke to Lr, Shelton. 7 about this and there is a water build up behind 8 the meat packers and part of the curb and Futter, 9 haz been t awl ken;way. What is your design lay oul; 10 for the area? 11 MR. ELLIOTT: Well, we haven't gone into 12 designs, they are preliminary plans and we also 13 have preliminary estimatesforice the council decides 14 on, whics h. stroets are to be included in the 15 improvement then they are ready to expand the 16 engineering costs of a detailed design. We are 17 familiar with the street because of our design. 18 for the storm water separation. We are very 19 familiar with the problemn that exist in that 20 location. We expect we are going to find all., 21 kinds of things when we dip the trenches for the 22 storm sewer in the downtown area, but specifically 23 1 can't comment on what our desiFn plans are fox, 24 the curb which you say is settled. 25 00, BLISSs In your servicing curb and gutter KIRBY A. KENNEDY -- OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREM S "rnI WATER, MMNESOTA 55052 BUSINESS TEL. ,.39 -31.24 EXT. 302 RENDENCE 439al47 409 1 .12 2 I and other appurtenances would you plan to resurface 2 the street? 3 MR. ELLICTA Where those services are, no, 4 we do not. On residential streets we have not 5 as we have (an state aid- stre(.,.,,, ts, 'You. rorhaps 6 heard here earlier we are requiring that the 7 galvanized services would be replaced for the 8 reason that we are dealing with, as very substantia]. 9 street and we have not required that-on the 10 residential street program. It may be prudent 11 to do that in this particular location. There 12 are a few business services in that location. 13 whon we put the storm sewer in we can look at !4 that. 15 HR. BTISSi Why is this heavy travelled 1.6 business street in a residential project'? 17 15. ELLICT0 Perhaps it's a misnomer to 18 include it as a residential, but certainly it 19 would be constructed to commercial or arterial 20 streets status, 21 IR. BLISS: Well, to the council I would 22 suppest that it would perhaps be prudent to 23 delete this project until further study is made 24 on the problems there and be considered at that 25 time and I object to the present situation. KIRBY A. KENNEDY -- OF'F'ICIAL COURT REPORTER 215 NORTH FOURTH SIRE", STU�WATEM MMNESOTA S50e2 BUSINESS TEL, 439-3220 EXT. 302 409 112 q MAYOR PO cif ELL: Here agin, kr. Bliss, if you 2 delete a street and then do it at some other time 3 the cost is going to be considerably more 4 MR. BLIS& I am for street improvement, 5 but I am not for a half-way improvement. We 6 have galvanized water service, we have listened 17 to the superintendent of the water company here 8 and are they plannin,,-, also a storm separation 9 there? I think that more study should be made, I don't think we should do this haphazardly and. I don't think any business area that we should 12 consider anythinF but a good substantial street 1.3 even if t0cost is greater, 14 MAYOR POWE10i I am sure that that will be 15 the case in this case. 16 17 to STEVENSON: Jim Stevenson, 1012 North. 18 First Street, it's otherwise known as prison 19 hill. We are just wondering what the present 20 policy in for North First Street, According to 21. the map you are showing a stop on North First, 22 12. ELLIOTTs W e are constructing storm 23 sewer along that route and we will have to restore 24 what services there. 25 MR. STEVENSON: Well, this is reconstructed JURBY A. KENNEDY -- OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREW, STU_LWArEW MINNESOTA 5SO82 BUMNESS TEL. 43OQ220 EXT. 302 RESIDENCE 4390147 124 I street according to the list, North First Street, 2 MR. EITIOTTs I think you are asking — 3 MR. STEVENSONa All the way to Sycamore, but 4 then Elm Street is deleted and I figure it was 5 a part of -- 6 VR. ELLIOTTt The storm sewer will follow on. 7 Elm Street down to the highway and that is not 8 included in the street project, We must restore 9 the trench and we would have to restore some semblance of a bituminous surface here, but it's nDt - - 12 RR. STEVENSON: All that street has been is 13 patched in the past overy time you go up it you 14 ruin your car. Is North First Street going to 15 be widened? 16 MR. ELLIOTT: It will be as wide as it is 17 now. is GOUNCILMAN "E T ERSONt I don't think it is 19 physically possible to widen that. I think, Duane, 20 that area from the corner, down there from Roloff's 2.1 downtown, which is part of the hill called Elm 22 Street, I guess will be Aproved when the pipe 23 is put in, but there is actually no assessable 24 footage here, it's all owned by the State, or by 25 us, so there is no need to put on a hear!nV and VRBY A. KENNEDY -- OFFMIAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREW, STWLWATEM MINNESOTA 55082 BUSINESS 756 439322,0 EXT, 3021 REWDENCE 4390147 12 I notify anyone about it, When the pipe is put in 2 there, it will probably be determined at that 3 time, 4 MR. STEVENSONe I was just wondering if they 5 are going to fix half of the hill, 6 I.R. DARSHALL: We will do as good a job of 7 restoration as we can. 8 COUNCILMAN PETERSONs Within the riFht of way 9 that presently exists. 10 NN. PURSHALL: No blasting or tearing an thin 11 out 12 MR. STEVENSONs Somebody had said that they 13 were going to widen the corner there right do W71 14 in front of Roloff's and change it in some way 15 with blasting it out, 16 17 MR. ZINMERDUN: Frank Zimmerman, 609 west 18 Willard Street, I have the same question as 19 Holly Andrews had as by we are -- why we are 20 reconstructing Willard Street for two blocks? 21 What we will have is blacktop curbing for two 22 blocks, the closest will be Fifth and there will 23 be no curbing, or anything between Fifth and 24 it will be way out to the end, 25 COUNCILYAN WOHLERSi The two blocks in there MRHY A KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT` REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNES07-A -55082 BUSINESS TEL 439 3220 EAT. 3 02', REWDENCE 4390107 409 112 1. arainst 113.00 or three and a half dollars for an 2 equivalent street. 3 MAYOR POWELL: AiFht, and if we were to do it 4 and charge the rest of the HOW 15.00 that; 5 went three or three and a half dollars to get 6 by wc would be in serious trouble. 7 NR. HI. VERMAN: Wall, you just mentione(. 8 coming down the hill there. 9 �'aAYOH POWE11 But the separation was the,, 10 reason for 11 COUNCII&AA PETERSON: The prison hill, I 12 think, anyone and everyone who has driven prisur, 13 hill will realize that that street 14 really a whole lot that can be done about it, 15 it's solid rock and you haye rock cliffs on either 3.6 side K it so I can't think that Wost Willard 17 Street would be in the same categcxT as Earl sun, is 19 Vk. ZIMMERMAN: You're riFht. 20 WAYOR POWELL: And besides that it would be 21 difficult to assess anybody for that so we ou&. 22 pick that up with the -- with just improving it 23 after the storm sewer was in, we wouldn't re- 24 construct, but we would improve it, It certainly 25 would be as pood or better than it is today. IURBY A. KENNEDY -- OF7VC1AL COURT REPORTER 215 NORTH FOURTH STREM STMLWATEM MINNESOTA 55082 BUSINESS rFEL. 439 3220 EXT. 302 409 1 128 1, AR. ZINKERMAN: You are telling about . 2 DUYCR POWEIJ,e The older part of prison hill. 3 MR. ZIMMERDUNs Yeah, but 1 still -- in other, 4 words, what you are saying if once you dig it up 5 for the sewer the mat ti, wouldn't do the job? 6 MAYOR POWEIL: I guess that's it, if you dig 7 the trench and e rything you will have some kinc''I 8 of a basis underneath it, isn't that right? 9 1R. ELLIOTT: Really, the matting is somethiqr,, 10 you bring in for as street that is beginning to H deteriorate when you still have a sound base thaL 12 you have something to build on, but the matt in,,,-_, 13 in itself doesn't have as lot of strength, it's 14 what's underneath that counts and you are tryinp, 15 to put a waterproof surface in to keep the under- 16 neath dry where it has strenEth and the matting 17 is not very p o o d unless you have a street with 18 scalcoating and, of course, the city hopes to 19 pet into a regular sealcoating program on the, 20 completion of the streets Cr" hopefully we will 21. prolong the life well beyond the normal life 22 expectancy if you can get a repular program 23 Foing. 24 MR. ZIMMERMAN: Okay. 25 MRBY A. KENNEDY --- OFFICIAL COURT' REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET'. STMLWATEC MINNESOTA 55002 BUNNESS TEL 439Q220 EXT. 302 REWDENCE 43"7147 409 1I NR, BARTLETT: Paul Bartlett, 208 Horth 2 Karriet Street. I have just one question. You 3 said 1970 You had the hearing for the sewar 4 separation. I was a property owner at that time, 5 but only about six months, I never got notice 6 of it. I wonder what was the cost of that per 7 unit? 8 MAYER POWELL: Of the storm separation 9 1395,00 wa,,,-,, t1-�efa,,timated coat at that time. 10 MR. BARTLETTo with this money you got you 11 said it was about $200.00 approximately',,' 12 MAYOR POWELLt Right, we fiFured at that 1.3 time we were applying for as 50 per cent Urant, 14 we didn't exactly get 50 per cent and I think 15 our estimate was somewhat higher than we now 16 think it will be so we are goinV to get real, 17 close to 50 per cent anyway, 18 MR. BARTLETT: So for Harriet Street would 19 be the sewer separation at approximately $200.00 20 plus a $15.00 per foot frontare for the residential.. 21 street reconstruction? 22 VAYOR POWELV Right. 23 MR. BARTLETT: Fine, thank you. 24 25 MR. HARRISON: David Harrison, 920 South KIRBY A. KENNEDY --- OMCtAL COURT' REPORTER 215 NORTH FOURTH STREW, STILAWATEW MINNESOTA U5082 BUSINESS TEL, 439-3220 CXT, 302 REWDENCE 439QI47 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 409 1110 Fifth Street. I assume on that street now you ATe doing that because of the sewer separation, that one block from hancock to Churchill? HR. ELLIOTT: Also theconditior of the strcot was such that reconstruction was in order, J/�.R, fit. `t There was only a couple hole,--.-, there, isn't that more of a maintenance problem on that street than there is a—reconstruction? I mean, it's not new, but it's not very old, VR. ELLIOTT: It was a mattercif" jizd,,-,,ment at the time, we felt it belonged on the reconstruct project. The whole council drove each and every block with us, RR. HARRISUNt On the sewer separation now don't they have any money in there for restoration as far as going through any street and putting it back to its original shape? MR. ELLIOTT: If we are going throuEh any street that's presently in good condition, we are not putting that on reconstruct project in that instance, but that street will be restored as a. part of the storm water separation program. MR. HARRISONt If you restored this street after the sewer went throuEh, wouldn't it be in good shape? MRSY A. KENNEDY -- OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREM STIL.LWATEM MMNESOIA 55082 BUSINESS TEL- 439-322.0 EXT, 302 RESIDENCE 4390147 409 1111, q MR. ELLIOTO It's just a matter of restoring 2 the trench. In that instance it's just a matter 3 of reconstruction. In some instances when we are 4 looking at this program initially if that was the 5 plan that we had proceeded on the best part of the 6 street would have been the restored trench and 7 we would have had chuck holes outside of it. 8 There is limitations upon which we can do and 9 still call items within the project eligible and 10 we, therefore, thought where a street was in a 11 condition where we thoughwit should be recon.- 12 structed we were going to put the storm sewer in .1.3 and we thought the streets should belandled 14 separately, or as a separate assessment item. 15 MR. HARRISONs It seems like a double 16 assessment there, you are paying for restoration 1.7 and paying for an assessment on top of it again, 18 MR. ELLIOTO It's not a double assessment, 19 but I felt we were attempting to do some good 20 planning and we felt it unwise to restore the 21 trench a few Ynars later, two or three, maybe 22 reconstructing of thestreet and tearing up a 23 patch that may have caused as much as $3 or $4.00 24 per lineal foot and that's really what you are 25 suggesting and I think it's a matter of what is KIRBY A, KENNEDY - OFFICIAL, COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATE4 MINNESOTA 55052 BL15ME5S rFL. 439 -3220 EXT. 302 RE&DENCE 4394147 409 1132 I the quality of the street today� We said i✓'s at 2 a level that required reconstruction, we didn't 3 consider it good enough to mat, 4.1 RR. HARRISON: Actually, it's kind of hard, 5 to believe. Where will the storm sewer go through, 6 on what side, do you know? 7 MR. ELLIOT0 We have the plans completed, 8 we don't have this here at this meeting, I just 9 lost track of it. 10 MR. HARRIS Odd t Okay, thank you. 11 MAYOR POWELD Anyone else wish to be heard? 12 MR. MKAUGHLINi H. J. McLaughlin (1003 .13 South Fifth Street). On this curb and, gutt(--,,r 1-it 14 we live in a primary -- South Fifth Street is there 15 and we got by for many, years with just good old 1.6 blacktop, will that be changed, or what? 1.7 MR. ELLIOTT: The proposal is for bituminous 1.8 curb on residential streets except if you have i9 a stone curb there now, or if you have a good 20 concrete curb that would certainly remain. 21, MR. MCLAUGHLINs I mean, what's wrong as is 22 just by the street and the water rushing by pretty 23 fast, I mean, what's the improvement shall we say 24 if you put one of those bituminous curbs in? 25 NR. ELLIOTTa Well, the bituminous curb is KIRBY K KENNEDY - OFFICIAL, COURT REPOWER 216 NORTH FOURTH BIREET, STM WATER, MMNESOTA 550B2 BURNESS TEL 4391220 EXT. 302 RENDENCE 4390147 133 I to control the water along the gutter and get it 2 to the catch basin. 3 VE, McLAUGHLIN: No problem there unless it's 4 just a routine thing. 5 RR. ELLIOTT: If you donit have it then you 6 start to get erosion back into the boulevard and 7 then you start getting _- 8 U. McLAUGHLIN: Not since they fixed the 9 street originally, I think, not that it costs 10 a whole lot, but it seems kind of stupid. The 11 one that they put on Owen Street 1 turned that 12 with the front wheel, but anyone -- if it's A routine there is no use in me talking, 14 MR. ELLIOTT; What Ywant to say if you'll 15 let me finish, the water does start saturating 16 the edge of the mat and all you need is the 17 garbage truck or school bus parking right near 18 the edge, there is a very vulnerable start over 19 the years, that's where mats start to deteriorate 20 over the years, In a municipal section you have 21 to get the water to as basin unless you have a 22 grade, 23 I', R. McLAUGHLIN: We have got quite a grade. 24 ER. ELLIOTT: It might take part of your lot 21 11 with you. KIRBY A. KENNEDY -- OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 BUSINESS TEL. 439-3220 EXT. 302 RESIDENCE 4390147 409 ( -134, I MR. McLAUCHLINt Are you going to correct the 2 Fmade~ there? I don't want to get washed out, 3 MR. ELLIOTTt We hope we can improve the 4 grade in every case, 5 MR. McLAUGHLIN: You will have to., One other 6 thinV I would like to throw at you is West Wilkin 7 Street on Third Street if you go ahead -- this 8 is for a safety factor -- if you go ahead and put 9 a wider street through there you are going to have this man don't =30 her, hN house is goinp, to be in the middle with a wide street here and. 12 a wide street there and it's stupid as hell for 13 my money, you have a safety condition between 14 the kids anA the school apd these autos jumpin,,,' 15 out there. I mean it, just study it. The chief 3.6 can see that. You have two streets on one side 17 of a house and it seems unnecessary, you would 18 have quite a street expense if you do that all. 19 over town, that'smy two conts worth. 20 MR. ELLIOTT: Planning liht e that MUc1l anymore. 21 MR. QLAUGHLIN: dhat did yon say? 22 52. ELLIOTTo I say you don't see planning 23 like that much anymore. 24 1R. KLAUGHLIN I say you should get in on 25 the planning right now. KMBY I KENWDY -- WFQML COURT REPORTER NORTH FOURTH STREET, STMLWATER MMNESOTA 55082 BUNNESS TEL.. 43,SM210 "T 302 REWDENCE 4390147 400 I I 1 IUYCR POWELL: We are going to let those 2 people figure it out and let those people figure 3 it out with a recommendation because we more or, 4 less agroe. 5 6 ERS. ANDERSON: Ethel Anderson, 17 representing 51, Casper of the Goggin. Candy Company. 8 Our concern is Nelson Streot the same as hr. 9 Bliss' as to what type of a street you h,. CW e in 10 mind for it, Obviously, it's not a residential. ii strebt. 12 nAYOR POWEL0 I think, first of all, I would, 13 have to say that those streets were included in 14 this package to get a better price, that doesn't, 15 mean they are r inp to be the same quality, but 16 if you Fet a contractor in and he has a big job 3.7 to do he is going to pive you a lower price, isn't 18 that about it? 19 MRS. ANDERSON: In other words, the specifica- 20 tions an this street would be different as far, 21 as possible width and obviously what use and so 22 on r,' 23 BAYOR POWELL: Right. 24 MRS.ANDERSON: All right. Another questions 25 that we had was what do you anticipate as the KLRSY A. KENNEDY -- OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET STILLWATE1 MMNESOTA 05002 BUBNESS TEL. 4390220 EXT. 302 RENDENCE 4390147 409 136 I length and time that this street is going to be 2 torn up and what time of year? 3 hUYDR POWELL: Well, that's going to be a, 4 hard question to answer. 5 MR. ELLIOTTi Well, in the past we have 6 talked in a reconstruct bituminous street that 7 we would have a 15 to 20 year life without -- 8 before any major maintenance would be required. 9 Now, major maintenance would be resurfacing of 10 an inch. and a half mat. Now, I said earliei., II that the city is going to initiate some type of' 12 a sealcoating program so each street will be 13 sealcoated once every four to ye'.;a-rs, ,ir.d thA-,-, 14 is what is necessary for the long life of a 15 street and for a program like this I can see 16 where you can get 20 or 25 years of life out of 17 the street. 18 NRS. ANDERSON: That wasn't the question. B The question is how lorF are you going to have 20 the street t0im up this year, it's going to 21 create some problems so we would like to hopefully 22 arrange a time of year when we could — 23 MR. LE10TTs The storm sewer pipe under fairly 24 normal conditions they could lay 1,000 feet a day 25 with a machine, Now, that's not too normal, with MRBY A. KFNNEDY -- OFFICIAL. COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH fOURTH STREET, STYLLWATER, MINNESOTA 5'5082 BUSINESS TEL- 439-3220 EXT. 302 RESIDENCE 4390147 409 1 1. 1� the particular grade on that street and I can fore- 2� bee that they can complete the street --- the storm 3 sewer in one day going up that hill. They are 4 goinF to backfill it for safety and further we 5 recommended that the street improvement portions 6 of it be included with the storm sewer improvement 7 so that we haNe Eot the contractor vulnerable 8 so that when he lays this street for any length. 9 of time it could wash out so I'm sure this was 10 g(inf g, to cause the contractor to become very organized because he can suffer damage if we had 1.2 two different contractors I think we could 13 conceivably have a problem, but like I say we 14 are tryinp to organize the specifications such 15 as because of the extreme grade. It would be 16 about a week in surfacing on that one because -- 17 I'm not certain if you recall that we lost 18 nearly a block of Myrtle Street when that was 19 constructed some years ago and we are attempting 20 to avoid that by having a single contractor 21 responsible for both the street and the storm 22 sewer, 23 MRS. WDERSON: How about the two first weeks 24 in July when we are on vacation? 25 lViAYOR POWELL i Does anyone else wish to be KIRBY A, KENNEDY -- OFFICVAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STMLWATE4 MINNESOTA 55082 BUSMESS TEL- 439-3220 EXT. 302 RESIDENCE 4390147 409 1 ]_°8 .1 heard? 2 0OUNCILAU1 WCHLERSt On this street you are 3 going to have to come by the main streets stairs, 4 aren't you? 5 MR. ELLIOTTi Yes, sir. 6 C01J11(.,'1LP,,`!AN WCHLERS: This is the situation, 7 you come up to this whole area—you are -- it's 8 Foing to be a bad situation. 9 MR. ELLIOTTs We are going to have an 10 entire section on traffic control, we have met ii Nth the Highway Department and they are 12 requirinF -- since they are dealing in main street, 13 since it is a trunk highway, they have certain 14 requirements on this also with respect to minimum 1.5 number of lanes, They are advisinU two lanes to 16 be left open. We are going to have to perhaps 17 restrict some of the paiking at the meters down- 18 town, but we are going to keep two lanes open. 1.9 Again, we are going to try to accomplish this, 20 1AYOR 'OWELL: We are going to have to 21 continue because it's almost 1100 and we have 22 much more to do, If no one else has a real 23 important question if you will come down the 24 please. E, KIRBY A. KENNEDY --- OFFICIAL, COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREM, STnLWATEW MH"ESOIA 55002 BUSINES$ TEL. 439-3220 EXT. 302 RENDENCE 4390147 I 1VIRS. RE,ICH00 Helen Reichow, 713 North 2 Fourth Street. I was going to ask you when was 3 you intending to start work up on North Fourt'? 4 MAYOR POWELL: Do you have a specific datc? 5 MR. ELLIOTTa No, again, North Fourth Street 6 is on the separation project and there are 7 certain parts of it that we are going to be 8 very specific about, but that northern portion 9 is an area that we are leaving only within the to total completion of the project and I be 11 the completion date is going to be something 12 like July or August, 1974, because we are talkin�.T 13 about substantial work with the separation and 14 all in the street. 15 MRS. REICHOWt Was they going to consider 16 anythinF at all about all these letters that 17 has been put in there? I mean, are they going 18 to go ahead with it anyway -- all the letters 19 that are against it? 20 Ti YCR POWELL: As far as what we have to do 21 with storm separation there is nothing we can do. 22 We have been ordered to do this and everybody 23 in Stillwater can send us a letter sayinr not to 24 and the Polution Control Agency says yes, you 25 021, and we are forced to do it and that's why we KARBY A. KENNEDY -- OFFMIAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STH-LWATEW MHANESOTA 55OS2 BUNNESS 17L. 439-3220 EXT. 302 RENDENCE 439 7147 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 1I 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 409 1 1.,40 tried to pet the federal grant to cut down the cost and we are trying to get it done as rapidly as possible becausc it will be a great inconvenience but to say that yours is going to be done at a certain time we certainly can't do that at this staFe. Maybe a little Jater we will have a better idea. It's going to be an inconvenience to almost everybody and we jvst hope that it doesn't take any longer than necesaarray and we are going to try this so that someone doesn't get blocked off, but these things will get worked out when the time comes, MRS. REIM& Okay, thank you. RAYOR POWE11: If no one else wishes to bc heard, 1 will have to close this hearinF because we have a lot to go, If the council has any recommendations on how they wish to proceed, we willte hc,,ard. COUN'CILDVIN BALFANZ s Er, Payer, I have one question, On the South Fourth Stroet from West Olive to U s t Chestnut, does this deplete it? MAYOR POWELL: That will be up to us to do again I think we should act on that now. [�,,i'R. D,101S.HALL: Let me refresh your memories. On the deletions for from North Third to North KARBY A. KENNEDY -- OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREM, STH-LWATEC MMNESOTA 55082 BUSONESS TEL, 43:1...32:20 EXT. 302 REWDENCE 4390147 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11. 12 13 14 15 16 3.7 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 409 1141 Fifth an Stillwater; South Fourth from Olive to Chestnut; South Fifth from Pine to Olive; South Fifth from "ancock to Churchill. Commemial Avenue on the grounds that they want a better street, Wilkin Street from Third to Fourth and Willard from Holcombe for a mat, COUNCILMAN PETERSONs I think we should now and I think the e4gincer should indicate. It should somehow be part of the specs, or however, he does it with these bids that Commercial Avenue and Nelson Stroet should not be considered residential streets as far as your type E' construction is cancerned,they should be named and 1 think this should actually be part of the specs so that we do get a heavior grade somehow on those two streets and I would move, bl. Mayor, to introduce a resolution approvinE -- arderinp,� Local Improvement Number 110 with the exception, of South Fourth Street from West Olive to West; Chestnut, South Fifth Street from West Pine 0:) West Olive, that's Sts Vary's Church area and, West Locust Street from South Third to Sout'(,,s t�,'ourth and wu have discussod that before, but wo wero under the impression that these poople wanted that put in so I would movo that these MRSY A. KENNEDY -- OFTKNAL COURT REPORTER 215 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STWLWATEW MMNES07A 55082 BUNNESS TEL. 439M220 EXT. 302 REWDRNCE 439a147 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 400 1 142 areas be stricken. COUNGIINAN BAIYANZ: Second. WOR POWELLi You have heard the motion anc]. the second, I think we have W HnowEh 6iscussion. All those in favor say aye. (At this time all were in favor.) WYOR POWEIX,i The motion is carried and we will have roll call. D2, 1ARSHALL: Councilman Balfanz. COUNCIIAAN BALFANZi Yes,, !. h'.. &ARSHALL: Councilman Feterson. =1EILDAN PETERSON: Yes. ER. NARSIUU: Councilman Thompson. COUNCILMAN THOMPSON: Yes, NR. MARSHALL: Councilman.Wohlers. COUNCILMAN WCHLERW Yes. HR. MARSHALL; Mayor Powell. LAYER POWELLs Yes. KIRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL, COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STI"WATER, MINNESOTA 560B2 BUSINESS TEL., 439-3220 EXT. 302 REWDENCE 4390147 a43 I bAtting Streets 2 3 Local InTrovement Number 111 4 5 5AYOR POWELL: This is bhe day and time 6 set for project 121. 7 The hearing is now open and I think we 8 should have mattinr, I think we are all aware 9 of just what it is and 1 think we can see the 10 Project, Why we can speed it up a little that il way, 12 rl. ELLIOTT: The list of the individual 13 locations are an the handouts available in the 14 corner of the room. The proposed matting section 15 is shown an this draming, which is just a two-inch 16 bituminous surfaco at a cost of $3,49 per, 17 assessable foot. That's all. 18 1 O POWELLi Does anyone wish to be heard. 1.9 in this regard? 20 21 VRS. RUSSELL: Vi Russell, 921 North Second 22 Street. This includes Second Strect, am I riFht? 23 MR. ELLIOTT: it does, 24 EMS. RUSSELL: That would include the bottorn 25 of the hill thore at Elm Street. I would like to MRHY A. KENNEDY -- OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREW, STWLWATER, MINNESOTA SS002 BUSINESS TEL. 439-3220 EX"T 302 RESADENCE 439Q?47 409 1144 I know if there has been any consideration given to 2 replacinr the sidewalks in that area, it was washed, 3 out some years ago and it's nover been replaced, 4 possibly even a bituminous sidewalk? It's just 'a 5 path throuFh there. 6 TM. EI110TTs Well, this could be done with 7 bituminous, 8 AM. 1ARSHALL: Do city—crown do that, Jack? 9 U. SHELTON: No. 10 MR, PETERSON! Blacktop at would serve -c. 11 purpose there, 12 �,'J''AYOR POWELL: We will take care of that. 13 We will take care of that one way COY" another, 14 if no one else wishes tolm hoard, please 15 hurry if you do. The hearing will be closed. 16 These streets hame again boen checked and it's 17 been determined that matting is required. Does 18 the council have anything that they wish to 1.9 discuss? 20 COUNCIUUN BUFANZ; Mr. Mayor, I wil.2, 21 introduce a resolution, I move the resolutiai-.i 22 be moved. 23 COUNCILDaN THOITS00 Second. 24 MAYOR POWELL: All in favor say aye. 25 (All were in favorJ MRBY A. KENNEW -- OFTWIAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STMLWATER, MINNESOTA 55002 BUSINESS TEL. 439-3220, EXT. 302 REWDENCE 439a147 WAYOR POWELD Themotion is carried. 2 have roll call. 3 DR. 1ARSHALLs Councilman Balfanz. 4 COUNCILMAN BALFAND Yes. 5 12, F.1 RS Councilman Peterson, 6 COUNCILMAN PETERSON: Yes. 7 Na. PARSHALL: Councilman Thompson. 8 GOUNCILWAN THOMPSON: Yes, 9 MR. IARSHALL: Councilman Wohlers. 10 CGUNCILMAN WCHLERS: Yes. 11 DM. RARSHALD Mayor Powell. 12 fAYOR POWELL: Yes, 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 KIRBY A. KENNEDY ---- OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREW, STMLWATEM MMNESOTA 55092 BURNES5 TEL 4390220 EXT. 302 RIEWDENCIS 4390147 409 1 14, We will. 2 3 4 5 6 7 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 1.9 20 21. 22 23 24 25 CONSTRUCT RES1DENTIAL STREETS WATER RAIN SANITARY SEWER, Local Improvement Number 113 MAYOR POWELL: This is the day and time set for the hearing of Local Improvement number 113, Is there anyone here representing Sunnyslope and Sunnyside Drive? KR. ELLIOTT: The proposal on that for sanitary sewer and water, main as shown an the slide -- we can't read the street names. Sunnyslope Lane and aunset Drive sanitary sewer and water main in one location and sewer services and, water, services in the location at the easterly ent of Lookout Street also for the surfacing of Lookout Street to the easterly culdesac and servicing of this street where sanitary sewer and water are. COUNCILYAN PETERSONt That entire area, Duane, that they have outlined in blue and brown is basically undeveloped area, is it not? TR. ELLIOTTa That's correct. KHABY A, KENNEDY --- OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREW, STILAWATER, MINNESOTA 55"2 BUSINESS TEL., 439-3220 EX7. 302 RESIDENCE 439-7947 146 147 I COUNCILMAN FETERSONs Are there any people 2 living in that area now? 13 1AYOR POWELLi Yes. 4 IR. SIEGEL: Dill Siegel, 1326 West Myrt le. 5 Just trying to clarify now the side of my house 6 would be Sunset Drive, the assessment on that 7 side would be 35 per cent of the 031,495.00 per 8 foot cost, if that's the longer side of my 9 property? jo COUNCILMhN PETERSON: 35 per cent of your 11 long side. 12 02. SIEGELs Okay. Since I have sewer and 13 water and so forth is there, a'ny other assessment 14 other than the street? 15 MR. ELLIOTT: No, 16 MR- SIEGELs So these other two items don't 1.7 apply to Myrtle Street homes? 18 MR. ELLIOTT: That's correct, I can, perhaps 19 for the benefit of everyone, put the slide on the 20 screen as it relates to cost. Incidentally, these 21 streets since th(. ya:,e- in a now area in a new 22 development they do include a concrete curb and 23 gutter. The voluble type drive over type curb 24 such as going in the Orrin Thompson area, The 25 second item, sanitary sewer and water main services KIRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 SUSMESS TEL.. 439-3220 EXT. 302 RENDENCE 4390147 400 1148 4 to the property line, that's a sanitary sewer and 2 water main and the services, the assessment is 3 $1,865,00, You are not included in that since 4 you presently are serviced off Myrtle. 5 MR. SIEGEL: Right. 6 MR. ELLICTTa And then we do have the sanitary 7 sewer and water service, $475.00 each and that, 8 of course, does not apply to you, it applies to 9 only those vacant properties at the easterly 10 end of Lookout Street, which would require those 1.1 services before we would put in peer manont type 12 streets. 13 MAYOR POWELD Thank you. Would he be 14 assessed for the street though? 15 MR. ELLIND 35 per cent of the street. 16 aAYOR POWELL: Are you in favor of the 17 project, or opposed to it? IS MR. SIECELs I don't need it, I was just 19 as soon it not go in. 20 MR, 1ARSHALLs I would recommend that we 21. postpone the hearing. 22 MR. SIEGEL: Is there someone that wants 23 to build back there? 24 MR. TARS HALLt Vie thought we could give the 25 a project at a reasonable cost and we thought KIRBY A. KENNEDY - OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 216 Nowrl-f FOURTH s-rREET, STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 BUSINESS TEL. 439-3220 EXT. 302 RESIDENCE 4390147 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 they would be here. MR. SIEGE L: If someone wants to build, I can't keep them from their property if you put a street in. MAYO OVELL: The only reason wouldbe that we assumed that they would be here and they would be Fetting here. As long as they are not her and you are the only one that is, we will exclude it. The hearing is now concluded, M M 0 KIRBY A. KENNEDY - - OFFICIAL, COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH F'OURTH STREET, STII.A.WATER, MINNESOTA 55082 BUSINESS TEL 439 3220 EXT, 302 RES0DENCE 439-7147 149 409 PQ50 N SANITARY SEWER 2 3 Local Improvement Number 114 11 5 WAYOR POWELLo This is the date and time 6 set for hearing on Local Improvement Number 114, 7 North Fifth Street from West Myrtle Stred;to 8 northerly dead end. The hearing is now open. 9 there anyone here for the sewer on North Fifth 10 Street? 11 DR. AARSHALV That is basically a city 12 project poing to the city garage. 13 MAYOR POWELLa There is no one here interested 14: in the hearinF. The hearing is closed. Do we 15 need the project because it provides sewer to 16 the city garage and there is one outhouse tha-t; 17 is illegal so there is no question but what we 1.8 need it. 19 YR. PETERSONs Mr. Mayor, I irt,oduce "to 20 move the resolution approving Local Improvement 2-1 Number 114 and ordering the improvement. 22 CCUNICIL1,1111 13ALFANZ: Second. 23 MAYOR POWELL: You have heard the motion. and 24 second. All those in favor say aye. 25 (At this time all were in favor.) KIRBY A. KENNEDY --- OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER 24G NORTH FOURTH STREW, STH-LWATEM MMMSOTA 55082 BUSINESS TEL, 439,3220 EXT 302 REWDENCE 4390147 I 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 1.2 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 NAYOR POWELLs We will now have roll call, 1,!Ar?SJ-[,ALL: Councilman Balfanz. COUNCILWAN BALFANZi Yes, KR. AARSHALL: CouncilmanPeterson. COUNGILDAN PETERS00 Yes. DR. MARSHALL: Gonncilman Thompson. COUNCIII,",AN THODIPSONs Yes. MR&ARSBALL: Councilman Wohlers. COUNCILMAN WOHLERSt Yes. TJARS11ALL: Mayor Powe2l. MAYOR POWELL: Yes. Ylaynr At t e s t : City Clerk MRBY A. KENNEVY -- OFFICIAL COURT REPORMR 216 NORTH FOURTH STREM STMAWATEW MMNESOTA 55082 M&MMS =0 4MQ"D "V 302 RMDENCE 439-7147 409 1151 1 2 3 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 is 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 STATE OF MINNESOTA, SSQ COUNTY OF WASHINOT01\1 I, Kirby A. Kennedy, do horeby certify and Etate that on the nth day of January, 1973, 1 recordod in. s1,en.ot;ype the Public Hearing in the City of Stillwater cancer Ang Local Improvements Numbers 109-114 had in. the Senior High School Auditorium, Stillwater, Annesota; I furthar certify and state that thereafter and on this date I did transcribe into typewriting the foregoing transcript of said Public HearivE, which transcript consists of the preceding 151 pages; I further certify and state that the said transcript of such recorded Public Hearing is true and correct to the best of my ability, Dated this 12th day of February, 1973. Isl Kirby A. Kennedy MAW Court Reporter, KIRBY A. KENNEDY -- OFFMIAL COURT REPORTER 216 NORTH FOURTH STREW, STH-SWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 Fa QNMS MW 439Q=0 "T, 302 RENDENCE 4390147 409 I 1,.5)2