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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1969-07-21 CPC MIN PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CITY OF STILLWATER July 21, 1969, 7: 30 P.M. REGULAR MEETING The meeting was called to order by Chairman John Condon. Present: (Members) John Condon (Chairman) , Myron Melstrom, Fred Kalinoff, Sidney Wihren, Eugene Bremer, Duane E. Arndt. Absent: I . A. Bergen, Harold Hohlt, Donald G. Carlson. Also Present: William Powell, Mayor; Councilmen James Lammers, Myron Melstrom and George Wohlers: Lester Brower; Wayne Loland; Harold Kimmel. Mr. Condon : Well the thing that I hoped we could get done with the City Counsel tonight was first of all some action on the comprehensive plan. Now I think we are all going to have to read that over and think about it and I 'm not sure how many copies are available. Well I would like to suggest that we all try to get that and look it over. As far as adopting it I don ' t think we should hurry this. I just say that it ' s something that we should work toward - adopting a plan and maybe that one isn ' t the one, it ' s ten years old, there may be some changes to be made but we all should read it and be up to date on it. But what I wanted to do was to come down here and get a definition of the duties of the Planning Commission, how we are going to act. We talked before about a definition of duties and it seemed to me we were going to act so that we could hold the hearings, wasn 't that correct? Mayor Powell: I might just touch on that now. The Counsel has a different feeling and I will explain it to you and when you hear it you might not thinlc this is too bad an idea . The thing that we were trying to avoid was a duplication. I feel that two hearings are a waste of time and it was then thought that the Planning Com- mission meetings should be closed meetings so that only the petioner_ and the Planning Commission is there and they hear the proposal of the petioner and then without hearing anybody else they decide what they feel is good for the City without any undue persuasion or anything like that, so that when they come with their recommenda- tions they would then come at a hearing and than we still have this one hearing, but because the Counsel must take the final action and because the Counsel felt that if you had a hearing that we were not present at something could be lost in the translation; that it would be better for us to have the hearing, but you have a recommendation without a hearing because your not persuaded or undue pressure brough to bare, or anything like that and I think that this is the thing that we are trying to gain is to avoid repetition. (At this time extensive discussion was had. ) Mr . Condon : I 'm not sure that we have much more to discuss then. Mayor Powell: I don ' t think we have too much to discuss in addition to this, but we have certain things we have to do and then we can discuss more. Mr.. Condon: But as far as tonights meeting goes I think we have for all of us get the Plan, read it, consider it and then from reading the Plan try and define what we think our duties could be and work it out with the City Counsel that way. * * CASE #`4 Present: Mr . Jerome G. Kainz, 1316 West Olive. Mr. Condon: Mr . Kainz wants to put an addition to his house. He is asking for & variance. We have here the plot plan of several proposals. He has three different proposals for adding on to his house. (At this time extensive discussion was had. ) Mr. Wihren : I move that we continue this to the next meeting. Mr. Kalinoff: I will second it. Mr . Condon: We are going to delay action on this until next month and then we will have some better measurements. Okay. I have a motion by Sid and seconded by Fred that we table this until the next month. All those in favor say aye. (All in favor. ) CASE $; Present - Mr . Harry A. Swanson, 317 North Sherburne. Mr . Condon : Mr. Swanson is asking for a variance to build a double garage with an apartment over it in the rear yard. (At this time extensive discussion I was had. ) Mr. Condon: I think it would be well for us to table it until next time if that ' s no inconvenience to you. Mr. Swanson: Well we haven 't started building yet. j 'tr. Kalinoff: All right. I will make the motion. Mr. Wihren: I second it. Mr. Condon: This time Fred made the motion and Sid seconded it. Mr . Kalinoff: Well I think there are a lot of problems to work out here. Mr. Swanson: Okay, gentlemen, we will see you the third Monday of next month. CASE #56 Present: Mr. Neil Miller, 1019 4th Avenue South. Mr. Condon: Mr. Miller wants a variance to_ attach a knew garage to the North side of his house. This knew addition will extend an additional seven feet into the North side yard and six feet into the front yard, according to the attached drawing. (At this time extensive discussion was had. ) Mr. Wihren: I move that th- application be granted. Mr. Kalinoff: Second. Mr. Condon: The motion has been made and seconded that we grant the variance to Mr. Miller to build a garage on the front of his house as shown in the plot plan attached to this variance. All those in favor say aye. (All in favor. ) Mr.. Condon: Okay. We will make this recommendation to the Counsel anI thr Counsel will act on it. CASE: Jas Russell, 921 North Second Street. Mr. Condon- There is one other matter I would like to bring up Here. Mr. Russell called me and I suggested that he write a letter. I talked to him over the phone a--d I told him that we couldn ' t do much for him, but I did want to bring it to the attention of the Commission because Mr. Condon : Well I told him, I said, I really didn ' t know that, by law, we could do anything, but this is part of a whole series of programs of pollution coming up - noise pollution, as well as air pollution and water Pollution. I really don 't think that we are equipped - even the big cities - the air port can 't decide on how to control noise, but it is something everybody is concerned about and we need to think about it. I told him I don ' t think we can do anything because I 'm not even sure that there are instruments that can measure tye type of noise that he is talking about, which is kind of - I think - kind of a low noise, but it ' s so constant that after a while it would drive you right out of you skull. (At this time extensive discussion was had. Mr. Condon: I think we have probably done all we can do on that. Mr. Condon: Let ' s talk about that liquor license. As I under- stand it there are two people asl�ing for one liquor license, one is the Grand Cafe and the other is Happy Otte. Now Happy Otte ' s property is outside of the limits specified in the City Charter and so you have to change the ordinance. The second thing is that probably right after th r- first of the year when the City of Stillwater is 10, 000 we will get five more liquor licenses and we won 't have to worry about them. We will have to consider the problem of whether we want that out there. My feeling is about hard liquor establishments that unless they are with a restaurant, and a fairly nice restaurant, I 'm kind of against them in a residential area. If your talking a nice restaurant I think you have to be talking about a place that has a lot of places for people to park and Happy Otte doesn ' t. Mr. Kalinoff: Breault doesn 't have it. He is kitty-corner from a big parking area . Mr. Arndt: He is also downtown. Mr. Melstrom: He doesn ' t have any trouble with the crowds he gets in there now. (At this time extensive discussion was had. ) Mr . Condon: Are we going to take any action on this? Are we going to make recommendations to the Counsel? Mr .. Kalinoff: Well if I can word it correctly. Now you fellows migzt have to help me, but under the present conditions I do not feel that we should change the liquor control limits to include places that are essentially in resi- dential areas. Mr . Condon: That ' s a straight forward enough motion. Mr. Arndt: Second the motion. Mr. Condon: Dwaine seconded it. Is there any more discussion? (At this time further discussion was had. ) Mr. Wihren: Are we going to vote? Mr Condon: All right. We have a motion before us, a motion and a second to the motion. The motion is that we would recommend to the City Counsel that they not change the liquor control limits at the present time to include any area that is essentially a residential area, is that about right Fred? Mr. Kalinoff: Yes. That ' s essentially it. Mr. Melstrom: Mr. Chairman I don' t think I will vote on it - this because I will be asked to consider it up there so - Mr. Condon: Okay. Are we ready to vote? All those in favor say aye. (All in favor. ) Mr. Condon: Opposed? (None Opposed.) Mr. Condon: Why don' t we record it as five in favor and one abstaining. And now we could have a motion to adjourn. Mr. Wihren: I move that we adjourn. Mr. Kalinoff: I second.