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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2004-12-06 HPC MIN City of Stillwater Heritage Preservation Commission December 6, 2004 Present: Howard Lieberman, chair, Phil Eastwood, Diane Hark, Jeff Johnson, Brent Peterson and Roger Tomten Others: Planner Sue Fitzgerald Absent: Patte Kraske Mr. Lieberman called the meeting to order at 7 p.m. Approval of minutes: Mr. Tomten asked that the minutes of Nov. 1,2004, be amended to reflect the fact that the materials/information pertaining to the Stillwater Mills on Main update were not provided for distribution in the Commission's meeting packet. Mr. Lieberman moved to amend the minutes of Nov. 1, 2004, as suggested by Mr. Tomten. Mr. Johnson seconded the motion; motion passed unanimously. Mr. Peterson, seconded by Mr. Lieberman, moved to approve the amended minutes; motion passed unanimously. Case No. DRl04-4l Design reVIew of revisions of materials for Stillwater Mills at Mulberry Street and Main Street. Melissa Pfannenstein, DJR Architecture, Inc., representing the applicant. 10/10/2005 Present representing the applicant were Ms. Pfannenstein; Scott England, project manager; Dave May and Andy May. Included in the agenda packet was a letter from Ms. Pfannenstein regarding "clarification" of HPC meeting minutes. She noted there are no minutes of an Oct. 4 meeting at the project's Design/Sales Center when the architects presented samples of masonry materials and a booklet of electrical fixture cuts. Mr. Lieberman and Mr. Johnson pointed out the Oct. 4 meeting was not a regular HPC meeting, but was more of an informational or workshop session; thus no minutes were recorded. Mr. England asked if it would be possible to review and accept the materials presented at the Oct. 4 session at this time. Mr. Lieberman said because only three HPC members were present at the meeting at the Design Center, that would not be possible. There was a brief discussion of the requested use of Norman brick. Ms. Pfannenstein noted Norman brick had been approved for use at the Lofts projects. Mr. England also spoke to some historical precedent. Also included in the agenda packet was a list of requested revisions and actions taken at the Nov. 1 HPC meeting. Ms. Pfannenstein noted that the proposal to use stucco on the balconies has been withdrawn. Ms. Pfannenstein reviewed each of the requested revisions. There was a discussion of the requested removal of the public restroom from the retail lobby, which Mr. Johnson and Mr. Lieberman both said was a significant issue 1 City of Stillwater Heritage Preservation Commission December 6, 2004 for the city of Stillwater. Ms. Pfannenstein said public restrooms were not required in the development agreement; she also stated providing public restrooms is a security issue, as well as a cost issue. Mr. England noted that retail stores are required by code to provide restrooms open to the public. Ms. Pfannenstein reiterated that extra parking and public restrooms are not mentioned in the development agreement, and she noted that the conditions of approval have changed from what was signed. Community Development Director Steve Russell, who was present for this case, pointed out that both the use permit and design permit contained conditions of approval, some of which were part of the original agreement with previous developer, Archnet. Mr. Russell also suggested that the Planning Commission, rather than the HPC, should consider the parking and public restroom issues. Ms. Pfannenstein asked for copies of the permit documents. After discussion, it was decided to take action on the requested revisions individually, by elevation. Mr. Johnson stated he did not have a big concern with the proposal to remove brick pavers from the east plaza retail boardwalk. However, he suggested that something be done with the joints to prevent a big run of concrete. Mr. Peterson moved to approve the removal of brick pavers from the east plaza. Mr. Eastwood seconded the motion. Mr. Tomten asked about the public sidewa1laf1MiOlP-fannenstein said the sidewalk would be replaced after construction is complete. Motion of approval passed unanimously. East Elevation - Main Street: Mr. Johnson said he remained concerned about the use of Norman brick on the Main Street elevation, suggesting the patterns/style is not in keeping with the architecture of the building. Mr. Lieberman said he shared that concern. Mr. Johnson moved to deny the use of Norman brick on Fa<;ade Band G; to approve replacing the arched octagon opening at Fa<;ade G to a flat top opening; and deny the use of stucco at balconies and the removal of metal railings and trim. Mr. Peterson seconded the motion; motion passed unanimously. South Elevation - Mulberry Street: Mr. Tomten moved to approve the use of Norman brick at Fa<;ade J and the removal of the miscellaneous ornamental metal at facades J, L and M. Mr. Eastwood seconded the motion; motion passed unanimously. North Elevation - Alley: Mr. Johnson noted this elevation represents a challenge as it carries around to the Main Street elevation. Mr. Peterson agreed, noting that this elevation is visible to those coming into town from the north. Mr. Johnson moved to deny the use of Norman brick at Fa<;ade G and to approve the replacement of the arched octagon openings and domed ceiling to a flat ceiling as applicable to Fa<;ade G on Main Street. Mr. Peterson seconded the motion; motion passed unanimously. Ms. Pfannenstein requested that the Commission consider the use of Norman brick on Fa<;ade H. Mr. Johnson noted that Fa<;ade H is something of a transition area and the use of Norman 2 City of Stillwater Heritage Preservation Commission December 6, 2004 might help make the transition. Mr. Johnson moved to amend his motion regarding the North Elevation to include approval of the use of Norman brick on Fa<;ade H. Mr. Peterson seconded the amendment; amendment passed unanimously. West Elevation/Plaza: Mr. Tomten moved to approve the four requested revisions - removal of one set of double windows in the 30 and 36 bay of units; omit coloring of concrete plaza; utilize Norman brick in lieu of modular; utilize a red Glen-gery brick in lieu of Belden. Mr. Peterson seconded the motion; motion passed unanimously. Mr. Johnson noted the use of Glen-gery versus Belden was a supplier issue, and will not result in any visual change. Retaining Wall: Mr. Johnson noted that according to Condition of Approval No. 17, the city engineer is responsible for approval of the retaining wall construction. However, Mr. Johnson moved to direct the applicant to submit design plans for scale and appearance of the wall to the HPC, suggesting that the face units be in proportion to the height of the structure and that the top be capped. Mr. Peterson seconded the motion; motion passed unanimously. Retail Lobby: The requested reVISIons include the removal of the unisex restrooms, replacement of porcelain tile with statfiW/e6fl6rete, and removal of brick walls. Mr. Lieberman suggested the issue of requiring a public restroom is more an issue for the Planning Commission. Mr. Johnson noted that if restrooms are not required, then the retail lobby changes are not relevant to the HPC. Dave May suggested that the lobby is a private space, not a public space, and is beyond the scope of HPC review. Mr. May also spoke of the real concerns of providing public restrooms due to security issues. Mr. Lieberman made a motion to refer the restroom issue to the Planning Commission and to ask the applicant to return to the HPC, as a courtesy, if restrooms are required. Mr. Johnson seconded the motion; motion passed unanimously. The 23 Conditions of Approval were reviewed. HPC members expressed a concern that Condition NO.1 might imply the buildings could be higher than four stories. It was agreed to change the language to: Limit parapet to the 4th story. Regarding Condition No.2, details of the first story public space and merchant space shall be reviewed and approved by the HPC, Mr. England asked about the possibility of bricking off a window if a tenant requested. The consensus was that would be OK if done from the interior of the space. It was agreed to change the wording of No. 2 to "details of the exterior of the first story public space. . . " 3 City of Stillwater Heritage Preservation Commission December 6, 2004 Regarding Condition No.3, screening all utilities, Ms. Pfannenstein pointed out that the transformer cannot be screened. Regarding Condition No.5, landscaping, it was agreed to add submission and approval of a landscape plan. Regarding Condition No.9, trash enclosure, Ms. Pfannenstein pointed out all residential trash will be stored within the building. However, she agreed that condition could be retained as it applies to commercial trash, if any is stored outside the building. Ms. Fitzgerald said Condition No. 11, parking, should be eliminated. Members agreed that Condition No. 23 should include the wording "reviewed and approved by the HPC." Mr. Johnson moved to approve the Conditions of Approval with the aforementioned changes to No.1, No.2, No.5, NO.9 and No. 23; deleting No. 11, and adding wording referring Conditions No. 17 and 18 regarding wall design and materials to the HPC's earlier motion pertaining to the retaining wall. Mr. Peterson seconded the motion; motion passed unanimously. 10/10/2005 Case No. DRl04-66 Design review of signage for Cub Foods at 1801 Market Drive. Kay Reiter, Leroy Signs, representing the applicant. The applicant was not present. Ms. Fitzgerald explained the request is to change the coloring of an existing sign. Mr. Eastwood, seconded by Ms. Hark, moved approval as conditioned. Motion passed unanimously. Case No. DRl04-67 Design review of building conversion and signage for Herberger's at 2001 Washington Avenue. Bob Bowman, Chipman Adams Ltd, representing the applicant. The applicant was not present. Ms. Fitzgerald explained that weather problems prevented the applicant from attending the meeting. The applicant will be at the January meeting to present landscaping plans, she said. Ms. Fitzgerald said there will be no more signage that for the existing use. The existing brick will be painted a tan color. Mr. Johnson moved approval as conditioned, with an additional condition that a landscaping plan be submitted and approved by the HPC. Mr. Peterson seconded the motion; motion passed unanimously. 4 City of Stillwater Heritage Preservation Commission December 6, 2004 Other items: . Ms. Fitzgerald said the city is in the process of doing designs for Schulenberg and Settler's parks. The Park Board would like a recommendation from the HPC regarding an historical marker for Schulenberg Park recognizing the site of the Schulenberg School. . Mr. Tomten updated members on the results of a meeting he had with the contractors for the proposed resurfacing of the rear elevation of the Sammie's space. There also was a written update in the agenda packet. Mr. Johnson said not much progress has been made with the renovation of the Labor Temple. Members questioned why the HPC had not been involved with the review of plans for Tim's Corner Market at Churchill and South Fourth. Members felt that the HPC should be involved in a review of all commercial uses, regardless of the location. . Mr. Johnson raised an issue with signage at Whitey's, the old John's Bar. . Ms. Fitzgerald stated light cuts for Terra Springs Building 3 had been submitted. . There was a discussion of the trash enclosure for the Water Street Inn. Ms. Fitzgerald said, while not masonry, the enclosure is an improvement. Because the enclosure will have to be moved when improvements to Lowell Park are done, Mr. Russell approved the enclosure, Ms. Fitzgerald said. Members were in consensus that the proposed trash enclosure does not meet the p'revious conditions of approval for the site. Mr. Johnson moved to indicate to the ~BplR!fRPiliat the HPC has received drawings for the proposed trash enclosure, that the drawings do not conform to the original conditions of approval, and that the HPC took no action. Mr. Lieberman seconded the motion; motion passed unanimously. Mr. Eastwood moved to adjourn at 9:20 p.m. Mr. Lieberman seconded the motion; motion passed unanimously. Respectfully submitted, Sharon Baker Recording Secretary 5