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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2003-07-07 HPC MINCity of Stillwater Heritage Preservation Commission July 7, 2003 Commissioner Lieberman called the meeting to order at 7 p.m. Present: Commissioners Lieberman, Eastwood, Hark, Johnson, Peterson, Tomten and Kraske Others: Sue Fitzgerald, City Planner Approval of Minutes. Due to damaged tapes, the June 2, 2003, Heritage Preservation Meeting minutes will be discussed at the end of the meeting. Discussion: Amy Mino — Executive Director of Minnesota Landmarks will discuss the 2007 Conference of the National Trust for Historical Preservation will be held in the Twin City area. Case No. DR/03 -17. Design review of signage, sales trailer and parking for Terra Springs Condominium project, as well as relocation of the existing monument, located at 608 North Main Street. Brian Sweeney, applicant. The applicant will be requesting a variance to the Sign Ordinance at the July 14, 2003 Planning Commission meeting. It is the charge of the HPC to review and approve the design of the sign requested. They are proposing an 8' high by 30' long identification sign that will be attached to the fence facing north Main Street. It will have the name of the project, Terra Springs, the location, a phone number and the web site on it. The background will have graphics of the project, along with graphics of Downtown Stillwater (see photo). The sales trailer is located on site at the time of this report. An existing driveway will be use for access to the trailer and there will be parking for approximately 4 — 5 cars perpendicular to Main Street. Landscaping will be discussed at the meeting; along with re- location of monument. Mr. Sweeney said that they actually had couple of items for discussion tonight. They include the requested sign variance and also Jack Buxell, the architect, would like to present some options for moving the monument. Mr. Sweeney also introduced Evelyn Tidlow, who is with URS, a registered state archeologist, and she will present the proposal to monitor the construction from a historic perspective. Mr. Sweeney presented the design for the signage and sales trailer for Terra Springs. Page 1 City of Stillwater Heritage Preservation Commission July 7, 2003 Discussion followed regarding the length of the frontage of the property and the size of the sign (240 square feet) relating to the length of the frontage. There is additional signage that would be taken down when the requested sign is approved. Motion made by Commissioner Johnson, seconded by Commissioner Hark to approve the sign located on the fence and that the 2nd construction sign be relocated either north or south of the main sign on the fence. All in favor with the following conditions: 1. All revisions to the approved sign shall be reviewed and approved by the Heritage Preservation Commission. Evelyn Tidlow of URS, responded to the Heritage Preservation Commission's request to have mitigation measures for impacts to historic resources. In particular, Ms. Tidlow addressed the request that a state archaeologist to ensure that the development proceeds within the appropriate historic framework and the significant finds found during construction can be properly addressed. That seems to be the most immediate need for the Terra Springs as the hope to break ground very quickly. In reviewing what was done previously, URS /BRW has a cultural resource group. There are five archaeologists and four architectural historians on staff. Ms. Tidlow has proposed that they will be out there monitoring during construction primarily to assist the construction crew to start with and avoiding any impacts to the oldest part of the site. That seems to be the most significant. Ms. Tidlow has suggested that the size and complexity of what is anticipated out there based on the Phase II work that was done and the time spent on the site, is that we will be seeing a lot of complex wall interaction and a series of building episodes happening. One of the proposals suggested was the video taping of the construction when clearing the site and as it is moved from area to area to get an idea of the complex site and how it evolved over time. Assistance will be needed for the video taping. Still photography will also be taken. Ms. Tidlow doesn't feel that, based on what was previously excavated, they do not anticipate a huge number of artifacts that would be deemed significant. They found very little beyond building debris. They will probably not collect many artifacts. Construction would be stopped briefly to take photographs. If anything of significance is found, Terra Springs would be contacted. These are initial recommendations and would like some feed back. Page 2 • r City of Stillwater Heritage Preservation Commission July 7, 2003 Discussion followed regarding the amount of time needed if something significant is found and who decides what is significant. A privy or a well would be deemed significant and any finds pre - prison would also. Recommendation Commissioner Johnson to have Commissioner Peterson as the official liaison with regard to archeological artifacts and determining whether they might be significant when the question arises and to be made available to the archeologist and the developers as the project goes forward or if there is something that is wanted to add to the Warden's Museum collection as the excavations are made. This way the City can feel comfortable that there is a connection back to the HPC. A stop work time window of 48 hours be given if artifacts or architectural features are found that appear significant by the URS staff that there is an opportunity for a 48 hour stop work so that Commissioner Peterson. Jack Buxell commented that an effort was made in that they did dig and scratch the ground all over the site and they found old foundations that were expected. Mr. Buxell had a concern about stopping work within reason. He would like to be included in the decision making process. There is a primary area of concern and a secondary area and there is a difference of what is found in the southeast corner of the site and the construction in that area then in the rest of site. Mr. Buxell wanted to know if there was a way to define what is significant. In response, Commissioner Johnson said the site is a large site so there is a lot of other areas to continue to excavate and work as maybe one spot is looked at a little closer it is not a small site that is being developed. The southeast corner there is concern. There is a suspicion of a disposal or dump site that may have been picked up and may have a lot of interesting information. You don't know what you are going to find and what the significance maybe as part of archeology and trying to give a definition as to what is significant until it is found is hard to do. Evelyn Tidlow and her team be the stewards of significance in consultation with Commissioner Peterson. Motion by Commissioner Johnson, seconded by Commissioner Eastwood that artifacts or architectural elements or historic items of significance have stop work for up to 48 hours based on discretion of URS /BRW staff with the concurrence of Brent Peterson who would be representing the HPC. All in favor. Mr. Sweeney said that Evelyn Tidlow was going to join them on their task force group when they meet next which they will discuss interpretive trail, status of the wall, the proposal from Bahr which the city staff has endorsed. Page 3 1 0 City of Stillwater Heritage Preservation Commission July 7, 2003 Mr. Buxell has one other issue regarding the monument. The existing historical marker is part of this area and there is a sewer and water line that goes directly through and underneath it and it is in the way of the roadway so one of the first things is where we to put it and what we do with it. It can be moved in one, two or three pieces. All of the stone is remnants of the prison building. Considerable discussion on location of historical marker and the exposure to the public. One location is on the interpretative trail and other is as an entry element to the site. Is it going to be a major feature of the site. It was felt that it would get lost on the interpretative trail. It needs to be accessible to the public and kept as a whole. Commissioner Lieberman recommended to defer to the architects and the developers to find an appropriate location for the monument the preference is that the monument be taken in its entirety. Commission Lieberman expressed appreciation that we are fortunate enough to be working with developers and architects who have consistently shown the highest regard for the historical elements of the site is worth everything. Discussion regarding the trailer. The hours are 1 p.m. to 6 p.m. Tuesday through Sunday. The trailer will stay in place until the following year. One option is to move the sales office into the retail center. Case No. DR/03 -34. Design review of signage for the Desch Building. Mark Desch, applicant. The applicant is requesting design of an expansion of an existing monument sign. The existing monument sign is 45" by 64 "or approximately 20 square foot sign. The sign ordinance for the CBD zoning district permits up to 30 square feet on a six foot high monument sign. The proposal is to add a 1 foot by 5 foot sign at the top of the existing sign. The proposed sign will have backlit lettering. The sign is within the permitted requirements of the CBD zoning district. Colors will be discussed at the meeting. The applicant was present and said that this is a resurrection of something that was started on two years ago. The applicant is requesting a 1 x 5 backlit sign on top of the current monument it will be bolted on top with the name and logo and to use the company colors. Page 4 City of Stillwater Heritage Preservation Commission July 7, 2003 Commissioner Lieberman said this was a far better approach then previously discussed at a previous meeting. This sign plan maintains the integrity of the building. This back lit is lit from the back of the sign and is not translucent. That is imperative that it is not translucent. Motion by Commissioner Johnson, seconded by Commissioner Peterson to approve the sign as submitted. All in favor with the following condition. 1. All revisions to the approved plan shall be reviewed and approved by the Heritage Preservation Commission. 2. No additional signage. 3. No internally lit signage. 4. Sign will be lit with with bracket lighting from top shining downward. Case No. DR/O3 -35. Design review for an awning and signage for Chives located at 114 Chestnut Street. Jeffrey Dahl, applicant. The applicant is requesting design approval for a 6 to 7 foot long awning over the front door area, going further to the west of the front of the building to incorporate the menu sign on the wall. The awning would be black with purple or green stripe at the edge of the valance. It will have the same pitch as Water Music next store. The sign for design review is the existing sign of the former business repainted. It is located on the front of the building. The sign is 2 feet by 10 feet and will have a white background with the word "Chives" in black lettering. The boarder and the chive graphic are dark green and purple. The awning and the sign will not be lit. Commissioner Lieberman welcomed the new restaurant owner. Mr. Dahl was present and said that the sign is going to be above the awning on the wall and will be mounted just below the second window above the door and centered over the door as well as the awning. The Brunswick sign will remain and not interfere with the awning. Discussion on the white background. Applicant would like to keep the white background. Page 5 0 City of Stillwater Heritage Preservation Commission July 7, 2003 Discussion on lighting. No lighting has been proposed. Applicant said she would like to use a goose neck lighting. Motion by Commissioner Johnson, seconded by Commissioner Tomten to approve application as submitted with the added conditions of Numbers 6 through 9. All in favor with the following conditions. 1. All revisions to the approved plan shall be reviewed and approved by the Heritage Preservation Commission. 2. Awning will not be lit. 3. No additional signage. 4. Structural elements of the awning shall be at least eight feet above the sidewalk. 5. The awning valance shall be at least seven feet above the sidewalk. 6. Lighting shall be permitted and it shall be a down lit, shielded fixture. 7. Lighting fixture shall be submitted to staff for approval. 8. Pitch shall match that of Water Music. 9. Sign background color of white shall be submitted to staff for approval. Case No. DR /03 -10a. Design review of signage for Kwik Trip and car wash located at Liberty Village. Scott Teigen, applicant. The applicant presented to the committee the project at the February 3, 2003 HPC meeting. At that time it was noted that a sign package and a lighting plan would be submitted at a later date. Attached for your review and approval are the signage package and the lighting plans for Kwik Trip, the mail center and the car wash. The Liberty Architectural Review Committee is currently reviewing the signage package, if they have substantial comments, the applicant will need to present them to the Commission. Mr. Tiegen passed out a hand out that had more updated information that is the result of the Liberty Architectural Review Committee. The review committee approved the signs with out conditions. However, a comment that any minor "tweeking" of sign color and exterior changes are authorized to city staff and ARC approval. The changes are architectural changes. There is an addition of a third cupola to the building. This is needed because of ventilation. Also, because of a grading problem, a rod iron fence is an option to be installed. Commissioner Tomten said that they were looking at other ways to solve the problem Page 6 City of Stillwater Heritage Preservation Commission July 7, 2003 other than installing a fence. A service door with a deck with a wrought iron railing is another addition. This is a safety issue. The lighting and landscape plan were discussed. The lighting is contained. The lighting is on the buildings and the canopy. A spot light will be used on the signs. The Commission and the applicant went through the updated sign package. The monument sign was presented as 14 x 14. Discussion followed on the size of the monument sign. Applicant and Commission chose to cut the monument sign to half which would be 7 x 7. Discussion on roof pitch with the canopy over the pumps as well as the building and the the wall signs because it is on a pitched roof have to stand out on brackets when you mount them on the roof. It makes for a little bit more clutter and little busier look when you have signs standing from the roof. There is quite a bit of signage that becomes a bit redundant and doesn't have quite as much need or emphasis because of the signs on the highway and the monument sign coming in. At that point, once you turn into the driveway, you know you are coming into convenience store. Identification needs become less. Kwik Trip identified over the main entrance definitely, ice, groceries, car wash those things identify features within the site but the continuous reuse of Kwik Trip doesn't really add anymore information and tends to clutter. Removal of the two signs on the sides of the canopy and with the reduction of the monument sign, helps. Lighting plan was discussed. The fixtures are flush mounted. Deck off service door will only be out about 3 feet with the wrought iron fence. Mr. Tiegen said they are really trying to screen the service door and keep it safe. Commissioners suggested looking at a wood picket type versus metal. Motion by Commissioner Johnson, seconded by Commissioner Eastwood, to approved the new sign and layout package submitted at tonight's meeting with the following conditions. All in favor. Commissioner Tomten abstained. Conditions of Approval: 1. All revisions to the approved plan shall be reviewed and approved by the Heritage Preservation Commission. Page 7 0 0 City of Stillwater Heritage Preservation Commission July 7, 2003 2. No additional signage. 3. The monument sign on Settlers Way shall be reduced to approximately 7 x 7 total height that includes the supports and to the top ridge of the canopy over it. 4. Third cupola shall be added to the retail building. 5. Railing on second floor to be picket. 6. A sign be it wood or iron stake if needed to be used on the northeast side for the grade separation along the elevation of the building as well the small balcony and canopy on the north end of the building. 7. The gas pump canopy signs that are on the two sides facing the car wash and the retail store shall be eliminated. 8. The lighting under the canopy be flush, ceiling mount lighting as submitted in the original package and be adjustable. Case No. DR/03 -36. Design review of outside seating for Acapulco Restaurant located at 1250 W. Frontage Road. Chris Novak, applicant. The applicant is requesting design review and approval of a 1,200 square foot outdoor patio for the Acapulco Restaurant. A 31/2 -foot wrought iron fence will surround the proposed patio. The entrance to the outside seating will be through the restaurant; there will be no exterior entry or exit. Lighting for the patio will consist of four eight to nine foot pole lights, goose neck lighting on the walls and some sconce fixtures at the door into the restaurant. Mr. Novak presented the application package. The seating would 13 tables evenly spaced four seating per table. Commissioners commented on how the overall plan softens the store front and makes it more attractive. It also helps a lot with the parking. City staff will refer to the fence ordinance in regard to the height of the fence. Motion by Commissioner Tomten, seconded by Commissioner Eastwood to approve the accept the application as presented with additional conditions. All in favor. Conditions of Approval: 1. All revisions to the approved plan shall be reviewed and approved by the Heritage Preservation Commission. 2. Landscape plan to submitted and reviewed by staff. 3. Fence to be 6 to 7 feet in height. 0 0 City of Stillwater Heritage Preservation Commission July 7, 2003 Case No. DR/03 -37. Design review for signage for The Grotto located at 402 South Main Street. Wayne Cullinan, applicant. The request is for design review and approval of signage that will replace the Buona Sera signage. The applicant states in the attached letter that " Buona Sera" has been deemed illegible and they want to rename their restaurant "The Grotto ". It will be constructed out of welded and formed aluminum, painted in matt finished lettering in deep burgundy color with a sand beige trim. A soft white will emanate from behind the letters to accent the name at night. The existing goose -neck fixtures will also be used. Motion by Commissioner seconded by Commissioner to approve the package as submitted with the following conditions. All in favor. Conditions of Approval: 1. All revisions to the approved plan shall Preservation Commission. 2. No additional signage. be reviewed and approved by the Heritage 3. The owner of the building is to sign off on all signage. Case No. DR/03 -38. Design review of signage for Willoughby's Arts & Antiques located at 224 East Chestnut Street. Robert Cullen, applicant. The request is for design review and approval of an 20" x 168" wooden exterior sign for the above business. It will be the same size as the current sign that is being replaced. Colors will be white lettering on a dark forest green background with white trim. The sign will not be lit. Commission discussed the comparison of the size of the sign at O'Brien Photography. The desire is to have them at a similar height or at least close enough not to be noticed. Motion by Commissioner Johnson, seconded by Commissioner Hark to approve the application as submitted with the following conditions. All in favor. Conditions of Approval: 1. All revisions to the approved plan shall be reviewed and approved by the Heritage Preservation Commission. 2. No additional signage. 3. The size of the sign is limited to 20 square feet. Page 9 City of Stillwater Heritage Preservation Commission July 7, 2003 4. Height is to be the same as O'Brien Photography. Case No. DR/03 -39. Design review of signage for Family Means located at 1845 Northwestern Avenue. Brian Larson, representing applicant. The applicant presented the plans for Family Means at the March 4, 2002 Heritage Preservation meeting. The sign was not part of that package. The proposed 55 square foot sign will be a 6 foot by 11 foot monument sign, constructed on a 1'6" high brick base that is the same brick used on the fagade of the building. It will be internally lit. Colors are white lettering on a steel gray background. Motion by Commissioner Tomten, seconded by Commissioner Peterson to accept the application as conditioned with eliminating condition number 3. All in favor. Conditions of Approval: 1. All revisions to the approved plan shall be reviewed and approved by the Heritage Preservation Commission. 2. No additional signage. Case No. DR /03 -40. Design review of site plan, signage and trash enclosure for Movie Gallery located at 1798 Market Drive. Kim Jacobsen, KRJ Associates, applicant. The request for design review and approval is primarily for the site plan and the trash enclosure. Signage was approved at the May 5, 2003 Heritage Preservation Commission meeting. The attached site plan basically shows the same layout as what is currently out there now, with two exceptions, the trash enclosure at the back of the building and the second renovation to the existing plan is the proposed tenant outdoor patio, located on the southeast side of the building. The trash enclosure with match existing block and color of the building. The opening will be color chain link fence system with slats. It will not be covered. Jeff Brier also being presented is the Dunn Brothers drive through lane and the location of the rear door and the new front entrance. The Movie Gallery is one occupant and the Dunn Brothers is the second. The Movie Gallery currently has 8,000 square feet and would like to reduce that to 6,000 square feet and allow Dunn Brothers to take the west 2,000 square feet. Page 10 City of Stillwater Heritage Preservation Commission July 7, 2003 The signage for Dunn Brothers will be submitted at the next HPC meeting. For clarification there is no additional lighting on the drive through side along Hwy 5, there will be a menu board and just a small window with no canopy or anything as far as the pick up window. There will be a sign that says "drive through ". Discussion followed regarding the shared driveway. Motion by Commissioner Johnson, seconded by Commissioner Eastwood to approve as submitted with conditions of approval and that the applicant will come back with a sign package. All in favor. Conditions of Approval: 1. All revisions to the approved plan shall Preservation Commission. be reviewed and approved by the Heritage Case No. DR /03 -41. Design review of building modifications at 221 East Chestnut Street. Mary McElerry, representing applicant. The applicant is requesting design review and approval of building modifications and signage directory for tenants on second floor. The building modifications will consist of removing and replacing the rotted wood on the front fagade and repainting the turquoise paint a beige color. There are two coal chute doors under the front window that will be painted a bronze color. The brick work in the entry way is disintegrated and needs to be replaced. The sign is for the business on the second floor, it would be a directory sign and will be placed on the right side of the exterior entry way. Ms. McElerry was present. The directory sign will be placed on the right side on the way in. The sign will only be 15 x 23 inches. The front boards are rotted and were looked behind and two coal chute doors were found so they would like to paint a beige color rather than replace the boards. The coal chutes would be black and bronze. The metal sheeting of the ceiling it would be replaced with pressed tin then paint that the same color as the coal chutes. A galvanized tin would be used. The trim of the door will be a deep bronze. The brick is disintegrated and will be replaced with the same type of brick. The windows on the second floor, the exterior trim is in need of paint. It will be painted either deep bronze or tan. There are 13 windows will trim. The metal on the parapet will not be painted. Page 11 s • The brick on the second floor will not be painted. The parapets could be recast in fiberglass. The tin work on the building is unique and the headers over the windows are metal also. Motion by Commissioner Johnson, seconded by Commissioner Eastwood with some noted clarifications. One is that the tenant sign is located on the sidewall of the east door facing to the west and paint colors as submitted with the dark bronze around the window trims on the 1st and 2 "d floor the lighter beige on the parapet. No work is proposed on the 2nd floor headers or upper roof parapet at this time and the tin be replaced on the easterly entrance to match as close as possible that will remain in the westerly entrance ceiling and the floor tiles to replaced at the applicants discretion a preference towards a smaller ceramic tile. All in favor. Conditions of Approval: 1. All revisions to the approved plan shall be reviewed and approved by the Heritage Preservation Commission. 2. No additional signage. Case No. DR/03 -42. Design of exterior sign revision for office building located at 2000 Industrial Blvd. Jennifer Cates, applicant. On May 5, 2003, the Commission a signage package for the building above. The applicant is requesting a revision to the approved sign. The proposed sign would be two double sided 4 foot by 6 foot signs. These signs would be supported win cedar posts, height of sign will be determined before the meeting The sign would be white vinyl with a graphic of a hockey player with white text outlined in blue. The sign would be lit with two ground lights, one on each side of the sign. Locations of the signs are shown on the attached site plan. Ms. Cates was present and only wants to do on the Industrial Blvd 4 x 6 double sided sign. Then because this facility is located in the back, a smaller directional sign is needed. The directional sign is to be 4 square feet maximum. The main sign is to be an off white background with a band or boarder around the edge. Motion by Commissioner Johnson, seconded by Commissioner Peterson to approve the application with the following conditions. All in favor. Conditions of Approval: Page 12 1. All revisions to the approved plan shall be reviewed and approved by the Heritage Preservation Commission. 2. No additional signage. 3. Light fixture to be approved by city staff. 4. Lighting should be attached to the sign at the top and shine down on sign. Commissioner Eastwood suggested that a letter of commendation be sent to the Stillwater Police for the new paint jobs on the new patrol cars. The parking structure being contemplated on the Water Street behind the co -op is still very much alive and proceeding at pace and appears to be gather some momentum. It is part of the Livable Community Grant which includes flood wall, trail and plaza and the parking structure. The City has contracted with SEH to come up with some architectural renderings of what it will look like, some elevation views from Main Street out towards the river just to see how much of an impact the height and scale will have on the view shed which is the primary concern. Also, part of the study is to look at a parking structure behind Johnny's TV, in that area, as well as potential some parking, two level, just north of the Lumber Baron's as other parking options. It will be a three or four phase process of development. One is to get some design professional in on some meetings. Then to have business owners in the downtown area and have public input. Any type of parking structure on Water Street will have an impact on the view shed. The Heritage Preservation Commission should be thoroughly involved and have a significant role in the historic downtown from the inception. Discussion on dumpsters located at the Winery and why they aren't enclosed. Discussion on Rivertown and a new sign. HPC has design review over that. Staff will contact the owner and have them in for review at the next meeting. Discussion followed regarding the June 2, 2003 minutes. Discussion of bridge project. Motion by Commissioner Lieberman, seconded by Commissioner Johnson to adjourn at 10:15. All in favor. Adjournment Respectfully submitted, Sheila McNamara Community Development Department Page 13