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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2003-12-01 HPC MIN# i City of Stillwater Heritage Preservation Commission December 1, 2003 Commissioner Lieberman call the meeting to order at 7 p.m. Present: Commissioners Lieberman, Eastwood, Peterson, Hark, Johnson and Tomten Absent: Commissioner Kraske. Others: Sue Fitzgerald, City Planner Approval of Minutes: October 6, 2003 and November 3, 2003. Motion by Commissioner Johnson, seconded by Tomten to approve the minutes of October 6, 2003 as corrected. All in favor. Motion by Commissioner Johnson, seconded by Tomten to approved the minutes of November 3, 2003 as corrected. Correction made to motion for Case No. DR/03 -66. All in favor. Discussion of Settlers Park Monument. Paula Kronin was present for discussion. She lives in Stillwater on Rutherford Road. Robert Kronin was also present also a resident in Stillwater. Ms. Kronin gave the history of the Rutherford neighborhood. Ms. Kronin showed sketch of the monument to the Commission. Mr. Kronin explained the changes to the monument. This is an information presentation. The monument has been conceptually approved by the Heritage Preservation Commission. Commissioner Peterson has looked at the monument for historical correctness. No action is needed. There are several ideas for the monument. One is a block form which could be encased or enclosed. The second is a vertical system which could be out of rock or stone or metal. Commissioner Lieberman stated some concerns about lighting and the material and the durability of the material. Mr. Kronin stated that they would like to have a buff limestone. Commissioner Lieberman thanked Paula and Robert Kronin for the information. Page 1 of 1 0 0 City of Stillwater Heritage Preservation Commission December 1, 2003 Case No. DR/03 -70. Design review of renovations at Rose Floral located at 14298 6& Street. Richard Rose, applicant. The request is to review a renovated storefront and an addition to the east side of the building. The front of the building would be reconstructed to include bay windows where the existing windows are located. Copper awnings would be installed over the windows. A new exterior facade would consist of brick installed around the entry of the building and a brick wainscot around the base of the building. The rest of the front would be siding with "architectural" shingles trimming the edge of the roof. The sign above the door will remain the same. There will be no additional lighting on the building. The 14'6" by 30' addition will be on the east side of the building. The facade of the addition will primarily be glass windows and a brick matching the front brick wainscot. The remaining surfaces will be sided. Richard Rose from Rose Floral was present. He stated that they were giving the building a "face lift" and giving the building a fresh look. The addition on the side will give extra space for retail display. The brick to be used (dusty mauve) will match the black rod iron and stone pillars that are around the garden area. The building will be reroofed also because some of the shingle dye lots didn't match when the building was built. The shingles will be a dark green. The lighting will remain the same. The siding will be aluminum white. There will be copper awnings over the bay windows. Commissioner Johnson asked if the roof over the front shingles would be the same as the as the main roof. Mr. Rose said that they were going to tie it all together. Commissioner Johnson said he would like to see this the same. Motion by Commissioner Johnson to accept the plans as submitted with the shingle replacements would be similar dark green color that will be used across the front and at the entryway and the brick samples to be submitted to staff for review and approval, seconded by Commissioner Eastwood. All in favor with conditions. Conditions of Approval: 1. All revisions to the approved plan shall be reviewed and approved by the Heritage Preservation Commission. Page 2 of 1 City of Stillwater Heritage Preservation Commission December 1, 2003 2. No additional signage. Case No. DEM/03 -03. Demolition request for a garage located at 209 Nelson Street. Dewey Thorbeck, representing applicant. The applicant is requesting review of the demolition of an old stone garage located at 209 Nelson Street. It is the charge of the Commission to determine if the structure at the address above is historically significant or potentially significant. Commissioner Lieberman opened the public hearing and explained the process for a demolition permit. Commissioner Lieberman read the letter from the applicant requesting a demolition request for the building located at 209 Nelson Street. Attached to the letter is a location map, a legal description of the property and owner of record, photographs of all the building elevations, a description of the building to be demolished, the reasons for the proposed demolition and data supporting the demolition, including where applicable, data sufficient to establish any economic justification for the demolition, proposed plans and schedule for reuse of the property on which the building or structure to be demolished is located, relation of demolition and future site use to the comprehensive plan and zoning requirements and a description of the alternatives to the demolition and evidence that the building has been advertised for sale for restoration or reuse and that sale for restoration or reuse is not economically feasible. The address was of discussion. Correction was made to be 211 Nelson Street. Mr. Dewey Thorbeck, representing Mr. Tom Armstrong and Mr. Steve Bremer, introduced himself and presented Mr. Armstrong's desire for a park and W. Bremer's need for garage space and the present garage is in terrible shape. Therefore, the request for a demolition permit. It is a historically significant building. It has been mutilated over the years and is unsafe. Commissioner Lieberman discussed the difficulty of this demolition and read the Building Official's report dated November 25, 2003 and also a letter submitted by Don Empson, resident of Stillwater. Commissioner Johnson went through the history of the building. Commissioner Lieberman made note for the record that this was a very complete application and well put together. City of Stillwater Page 3 of 1 0 0 Heritage Preservation Commission December 1, 2003 Item No. 4, Description of the Building to be demolished, and Item 5, the reasons for the proposed demolition and data supporting the demolition, including where applicable, data sufficient to establish any economic justification for the demolition, was read. Commissioner Lieberman mentioned at this point that Item No. 5 is the most wanting and historically what has been requested of applicants is a more complete analysis of the building and an actually breakdown of what it would cost to put the building back into a serviceable condition. At this point, there isn't anything in the materials that gives the Commission a more accurate assessment of what it would cost to put the building in a condition sufficient for the use. Commissioner Peterson agreed and the items listed are in effect no different than the maintenance of the building of this type and didn't see any of these as a fatal flaw to the integrity of the building at this point it is just due for an overdue maintenance of the situation. Commissioner Johnson agreed that there isn't a work and a breakdown of funds needed to replace or restore the building but it would certainly be money well spent on one of the most significant buildings in Stillwater and, as Don Empson mentioned in his letter, what an opportunity to create a park around that significant building and to use that as a theme. Commissioner Lieberman read Item No. 6, proposed plans and schedule for reuse of the property on which the building or structure to be demolished is located. Commissioner Tomten asked for W. Thorbeck to elaborate more on the statement of even if the lower level of the building were used as a garage before, it would not function safely. Mr. Thorbeck responded by saying Mr. Armstrong does not see any park use for that top floor of the building. Commissioner Eastwood inquired as to the number of garages for the condominiums if the building were demolished. Mr. Thorbeck responded said there would be a new garage constructed along with two other garages of similar size with a total of six garages or three double car garages. The top of the two new ones would be used for park purposes. The third garage City of Stillwater Heritage Preservation Commission December 1, 2003 would be built roughly were the old one is that would pick up the additional park open space. Page 4 of 1 • • Also, on Item No. 5. the cost issue wasn't included because they are not trying to establish any economic justification for the demolition. It probably would be a wash between fixing up the existing building or tearing it down and building a new garage/structure. The issue is for Mr. Armstrong's desire for more park open space. It is a very small lot. Commissioner Lieberman opened the floor for community input. John Petris asked if the commission was looking at any visuals of the proposed design. Commissioner Peterson responded by saying that it hasn't really been carried forward that far yet and there were some rough concepts and was still in the development stage. Mr. Petris felt it was to early to deal with removing the building if there are any options explored. Commissioner Peterson said your suggestion is that develop the park plan maybe with and without the building to look at options. Mr. Petris agreed. It seems to be a judicial thing to look at both sides of that equation to try to come to the best decision. The building shouldn't be maintained just because it is old, but if there are compelling reasons for preserving the historical nature of the building he thinks it is wise to explore both possibilities. At least in schematic form. It is difficult to make an intelligent decision without a plan in front of you. Because it is a physical project and the pros and cons are being expressed in words It would valuable to make that decision with something concrete in front of you. Mr. Petris feels you could work around that building and incorporate that building and the upper level as a play structure. His main concern is that is seems early in the process to grant a demo permit because there is no way back once it is demolished. No there is no way to explore the possibilities. Mr. Mike McGuire said he knows that we all agree that the building is extremely important, historically. The remarks made, he is in generally agreement with. What seems to be lacking is a very strong reason for tearing the building down. Mr. Thorbeck said that it can be restored. There isn't a compelling reason to tear the City of Stillwater Heritage Preservation Commission December 1, 2003 building down other than what appears to him to be some sort of a problem negotiating between the owner and the seller of the building and that they are having problems trying to figure this out it doesn't appear to Mr. McGuire to be a significant reason to tear down a building of that importance. Page 5 of 1 0 0 Mr. Vince Hunt stated that he thinks it is a beautiful building is wondering how it carne to be in such a state of disrepair. It seems like a very unique building and the idea that it is one of ten possibly in Minnesota that existing still that is made out of limestone which is hard to find it is well worth checking into the actual cost of repairing it and not only that who's responsible to make sure that buildings like this are kept up. This is in the heart of downtown Stillwater and if someone was not to do anything with the building would the city require it to be restored to at least a functional or at least not hazardous structure. Commissioner Johnson stated that there use to be a junk around the building. Ms. Fitzgerald stated that the City's Building official would have to determine that if it were physically unsafe it could be condemned. It is whoever owns the property was responsible. Mr. Hunt said that if the Commission weren't to do anything now and if it isn't causing a hazard now, what would make it cause a hazard in the future. It is obvious that the space is wanted for use now and there will be development around. The building is well worth keeping or looking at how much it would cost to integrate into the development. Commissioner Lieberman closed the public hearing. Motion by Commissioner Lieberman, to continue this request until such time that final design plans can be presented showing what the design would like if the structure were renovated and incorporated into the design and if the structure were demolished and new structure designed as an alternative, seconded by Commissioner Johnson. All in favor. The Commission emphasized the historical significance of the building and urged Mr. Thorbeck to work with Mr. Armstrong in a design that would incorporate the structure into the central theme of the park. City of Stillwater Heritage Preservation Commission December 1, 2003 Case No. DR/03 -71. Design review of a projecting sign located at 227 Chestnut Street. Vince Hunt, Lakeland Mortgage Corporation. The applicant is requesting design review of a 2' by 3' projecting sign for the mortgage company. The sign may be lit in the future with a down lighting fixture. The proposed sign would be white with blue and gray text. It would be hung from a wrought iron bracket. Page 6 of 1 0 • Commissioner Johnson stated that the sign plan was to put the professional sign in the doorway that lists the tenants in the building and that has been installed. Commissioner Johnson's concern with the proposal is that it is identified by the address first and then the directory sign on the wall there is the six other tenants in the building. The reason for having this type of sign is to address all of them in the building without having a bunch of individual signs competing for space in the doorway. Mr. Hunt saw Commissioner Johnson's point with regards to the professional sign, however, he found that his clients had a hard time finding his business. He has a retail location versus the other businesses and all of those are by appointment only and he is trying to define himself as a company that people can readily find. When you are walking by the building, you don't even see the directory sign. His proposal is to create an identity in Stillwater and recognize were he is. Commissioner Tomten concurred with Commissioner Johnson and asked if Mr. Hunt's sign maker could come up with a construction document or drawing on how the rod iron would be integrated and work with the proportions of the sign and the logo that would work within the 6 square foot limit and as an additional design integration with the building to work with some of the existing hardware mounting could be used in lieu of creating new ones. Mr. Hunt stated that the dimensions are going to match the 2 feet by3 feet. Motion by Commissioner Tomten, to accept the projecting sign that would entail the building address with smaller, individual drop down projecting signs that would name the tenants, the total area of the sign not to exceed 6 square feet and have the sign maker draw up what the materials are going to be and dimensionally lay out a drawing and a plan to hang the sign on some of the existing hardware elements on the building and to stay with the color scheme presented using creme instead of City of Stillwater Heritage Preservation Commission December 1, 2003 white for staff approval, seconded by Commissioner Johnson. All in favor. Conditions of Approval: 1. The total area of the projecting sign may not exceed six square feet. 2. The projecting sign shall be at least eight feet above the sidewalk and not be a hazard to pedestrians. 3. If lit, it must be lit externally. Light source must not be a safety issue for pedestrians and auto traffic. 4. No additional signage. 5. All exterior modifications to approved sign shall be reviewed and approved by HPC. Page 7 of 1 0 . Case No. DR/03 -72. Design review of exterior signage for Piper Jaffrey located at 270 North Main Street. Tom Moreland representing applicant. The applicant is requesting design review for signage that would replace the existing signage. The proposed signs would be similar to the existing colors and placement on the building. The signs will also be smaller than the existing. The signs will not be internally lit. Mr. Moreland said that the signs were replicas of the plaques that are used internally at Piper Jaffrey. The colors are black and silver. The lighting of the sign is something that they will work on and come back with proposals. It would be traditional bracket lighting. Motion by Commissioner Eastwood, to approve as presented with conditions, seconded by Commissioner Hark, All in favor. Conditions of Approval: 6. All revisions to the approved plan shall be reviewed and approved by the Heritage Preservation Commission. 7. No additional signage. Commission Lieberman combined the 1754 Market Drive signage design review together for discussion. Case Nos: DR/03 -73, DR/03 -74, DR/03 -77 and DR/03 -78. Commissioner Lieberman stated that this is sign review of exterior signage for 1754 Market Drive for separate businesses for consistency. There are specific guidelines to be followed. Commissioner Lieberman reviewed the City of Stillwater Heritage Preservation Commission December 1, 2003 guidelines. Case No. DR/03 -73. Design review of exterior signage for Cartridge World located at 1754 Market Drive. Robert Jonell, applicant. The request is for design review of exterior signage for Cartridge World. The signs would be mounted to a raceway, one over the front entry. The other sign will be on the sign ban facing Stillwater Blvd. The letters are approximately 24" high and the phrase "Cartridge World" measures about 9 feet. The faces of the letters are blue colored Plexiglas. The cans will be painted black and are a depth of 5 ". The raceway will be painted to match the color of the sign band on the building. Conditions of Approval: Page 8 of 1 0 • 8. All revisions to the approved plan shall be reviewed and approved by the Heritage Preservation Commission. 9. No additional signage. 10. According to the Stillwater Marketplace Sign Plan all tenant signs are to consist of individual internally lit channel letters vertically centered on the sign bands — no raceways. Case No. DR/03 -74. Design review of signage for Fair Nails located at 1754 Market Drive. Kari Lenius — Eagle Sign Co., representing applicant. The applicant is requesting design review of 24" high individual lit channel letters for Fairy Nails. The face color would be red with gold trim. The signs would be mounted to a raceway, one over the front entry. The other sign will be on the building sign ban facing Stillwater Blvd. Conditions of Approval: 3. All revisions to the approved plan shall be reviewed and approved by the Heritage Preservation Commission. 4. No additional signage. 5. According to the Stillwater Marketplace Sign Plan all tenant signs are to consist of individual internally lit channel letters vertically centered on the sign bands — no raceways. Case No. DR/03 -77. Design review of exterior signage for Fantastic Sams located at 1754 Market Drive. Mohsin Kasam, representing applicant. City of Stillwater Heritage Preservation Commission December 1, 2003 The applicant is requesting design review of exterior signage for Fantastic Sams. The signs would be mounted on a raceway over the entry of the business. The other sign is shown above the sign ban on the Stillwater Blvd side of the building. The Marketplace Sign Plan says that the sign must be in the sign band. The letters are 20" high and 14.5' long. The faces of the letters are red. Conditions of Approval: 6. All revisions to the approved plan shall be reviewed and approved by the Heritage Preservation Commission. 7. According to the Stillwater Marketplace Sign Plan all tenant signs are to consist of individual internally lit channel letters vertically centered on the sign bands — no raceways. 8. No additional signage. 9. The sign on Stillwater Blvd side of the building shall be installed within the sign ban area of the building. Page 9 of 1 0 0 Case No. DR/03 -78. Design review of exterior signage for Papa Murphy's located at 1754 Market Drive. Larry Meese representing applicant. The applicant is requesting design review for an exterior sign for Papa Murphy's Pizza. The proposed sign is 22" by I F 5 "; individual lit channel letters. "Papa" will be red; and "Murphy's" will be green in color. Conditions of Approval: 11. All revisions to the approved plan shall be reviewed and approved by the Heritage Preservation Commission. 12. No additional signage. Motion by Commissioner Johnson to approve the four signs for Cartridge World, Fair Nails, Fantastic Sams and Papa Murphys with the rear signs located on the light colored box in the back and a sign of a single line be mounted in the upper half of the box and a two line sign centered in the upper half and lower half of the block with the signage contained within the box. The front the signs shall be centered and contained within the white area above the store front and the center line of the sign shall be located 24 inches down below the corners also defined as the lower portion of the lower band along the parapet with the other four conditions of approval, seconded by Commissioner Eastwood. All in favor. City of Stillwater Heritage Preservation Commission December 1, 2003 At this point the tape quit recording. Case No. DR/03 -75. Design review of Jennings State Bank plans. The bank will be located at 1150 Stillwater Blvd N. Brian Larson, AIA representing applicant. The applicant is requesting design approval of the attached Jennings State Bank plans. The bank is part of a PUD (Planned Unit Development) with the adjacent Parkwood Villas Townhomes. Vehicular entrance to the bank is on the north side of the building; right turn in, right turn out, with an exit only; right turn out, at the south end of the site. 22 parking spaces plus one van- accessible parking space are proposed the north of the bank. There is open space directly to the south that is designated for possible building expansion and parking. The site is bermed to the west, with a low retaining wall and planted with pine trees to screen the adjacent development. There will be a pedestrian trail running along CR 5 and connecting with Parkwood Lane. The pathway connects to sidewalks on the east side of Parkwood Land and eventually to sidewalks at the comer of Wildepines Lane to the south. The bank is a 6,800 square feet single story building with three drive thru banking lanes and a ATM lane. The exterior materials used will be mainly variegated reddish brick with cast stone accents. Page 10 of 1 n The brick will be slightly recessed in alternating bands from the window head to the sill for additional texture. The columns, projecting bays, gable ends and eaves will be clad with painted fiber - cement siding board and trim. The roof will be heavy laminated shingles, with an alternate standing seam roof design being considered depending on costs. Offices have fixed pre - finished aluminum insulated windows, and built -in planters are proposed on the east, south and north facades. Parking lot lighting will consist of 18 -foot high shoebox fixtures. Security lighting will be downlit fixtures. Four ground lights will lit the facade of the building. Mechanicals and trash will be enclosed with a brick clad enclosure. The pylon sign is located near the entrance of the building. The interior lit sign itself is 100 square feet on a brick base and planter, to make the height 20 feet. The pylon was approved by the City Council at the August 20, 2002 meeting (PUD /02 -50). Conditions of Approval: 1. All utilities shall be completely screened from public view. 10. All landscaping shall be installed before utility release or final project inspection. No project shall be phased unless approval is granted by the Planning Commission. 11. City of Stillwater Heritage Preservation Commission December 1, 2003 12. Continuous concrete curbing shall be installed to separate parking areas from landscape areas. 13. Handicapped parking spaces and signage, in compliance with State requirements, shall be shown on building permit plans and installed before final inspection of the project. 14. The street address of the building shall be displayed in a location conspicuous from the public street. 15. The trash enclosure shall be made of a sturdy opaque masonry material, with trash receptacles screened from view and compatible with the color and materials of the project. 16. All trees required to remain on site, as indicated on the plans, shall be protected by fencing or other necessary measures shall be taken to prevent damage during construction activity. 17. No roof equipment shall be visible to the general public. 18. All gutters, downspouts, flashings, etc. shall be painted to match the color of the adjacent surface. 19. Construction projects shall conform to the City's Noise ordinance. Construction during the dry season shall mitigate excess dust problems. 20. Grading and drainage plan to be approved by City Engineer before building permits are issued. 21. Sign package to be approved by the Heritage Preservation Commission, including directional signs. 22. Exterior lighting plan to be reviewed and approved by the Heritage Preservation Commission. 23. All security lights on building shall be downlit. 24. A sign permit is required for all signage. Page 11 of 1 0 0 25. All exterior modifications to the approved plan are to be reviewed by Community Development Director. 26. Pylon sign was approved by the City Council on 7 -8 -02 when the PUD was originally in front of the Council for preliminary approval. 27. Ground lights around the building shall be for security and not shine off site. 28. Soffit lighting in canopy shall be flush mounted. 29. Directional signs shall be 2 x 2 and cannot have the bank name on them. Motion by Commissioner Johnson, seconded by Commissioner Eastwood to approve with conditions. All in favor. Case No. DR/03 -76. Design review of an accessory dwelling unit located at 418 Holcombe Street. Brian Enright, applicant City of Stillwater Heritage Preservation Commission December 1, 2003 The applicant is requesting design review of an existing garage that would have the upper floor converted into an accessory dwelling unit. A variance from the Planning Commission is being requested by the applicant at the December 8, 2003, commission meeting. The ordinance for dwelling units states that the unit must have the same setbacks as the primary structure, which is 25 foot rear setback and 10 foot or 10% of lot width for the side setback. The existing structure is 6 feet from the rear and 6 feet from the side property line. Commission Tomten stated that the siding is different but otherwise it keeps with the architectural style. Commissioner Johnson stated the style of the garage looks like it has a carriage house. Motion by Commissioner Johnson, seconded by Commissioner Tomten to approve with conditions. All in favor. Conditions of Approval: 30. All revisions to the approved plan shall be reviewed and approved by the Heritage Preservation Commission. 31. The height of the accessory dwelling unit shall not exceed the height of the main building. Motion by Commissioner Tomten, seconded by Commissioner Eastwood to adjourn the meeting at 9:47 p.m. All in favor. Submitted by Sheila McNamara Building and Planning Department Page 12 of 1