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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1997-10-06 HPC MIN0 �I HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION Oct. 6, 1997 Present: Roger Tomten, chairman Jeff Johnson, Robert Kimbrel, Howard Lieberman, Jay Michels and Brent Peterson Absent: Katherine Francis Others: Sue Fitzgerald, planning Chairman Tomten called the meeting to order at 7 p.m. Approval of minutes Mr. Michels, seconded by Mr. Kimbrel, moved approval of the minutes of Sept. 3, 1997. Mr. Johnson noted a correction in Case No. 97 -48. Ms. Stefan, not Ms. Larson, was one of the presenters. Minutes were approved as corrected. Case No. DR/97 -22 Design review of exterior sign for "Jeepers" at 304 N. Main St. Pamela Powell, applicant. Ms. Powell was present for the discussion. The sign which has been installed is 9 square feet, exceeding the allowable 6 square feet. Ms. Fitzgerald said Ms. Powell was unaware of the ordinance when she had the sign made and installed. Ms. Powell said she had problems with passersby seeing the sign with its location on a side street, but said she would be willing to reduce the size if required to do so. Mr. Johnson noted the building owner is aware of the sign ordinance, and the new sign is not a part of the original sign package. Mr. Michels, seconded by Mr. Peterson, moved to approve a 6 square foot sign, with the conditions of approval as recommended by staff. Motion passed unanimously. Case No. SUP /DR/97 -57 Design review of proposed bed and breakfast at 1117 N. Fourth St. -- The Rose Cottage Inn. Aldine West, applicant. Mark Balay represented the applicant. 0 0 Mr. Michels asked if the on -site parking was sufficient and if there would be screening to the north. Mr. Balay said two parking spaces are provided; the property owner to the north does have a fence and there would be no problem providing screening if that is required. Mr. Balay provided an updated sketch on a requested sign. He said the sign would be no taller than 4 feet; the sign is needed, he said, to distinguish the B &B from the main house. Mr. Peterson moved approval as conditioned, noting the request meets the B &B ordinance. Mr. Kimbrel seconded the motion. Mr. Johnson raised a question about the sign colors. It was agreed to have Ms. Fitzgerald review the proposed sign /colors to determine if the signage needs to come back before the HPC. Mr. Peterson and Mr. Kimbrel agreed to amend the motion to add the condition that the signage colors be reviewed by Ms. Fitzgerald. The amended motion passed unanimously. Case No. DR/97 -23 Design review of storage building at 1951 Northwestern Ave. W. Ross Buchman for applicant IncStar. Mr. Buchman was present for the discussion. Mr. Peterson abstained from the discussion and vote due to his wife's employment with IncStar. Mr. Johnson raised the issue of screening. He also if any consideration had been given to a masonry building, rather than metal sided. Mr. Buchman said a masonry building would be too cost prohibitive; the building will be used only for barrel storage. Mr. Tomten noted that according to the West Business Park guidelines, metal siding is not allowed. He questioned whether that applied to accessory buildings. Ms. Fitzgerald said that guideline is for the primary structure, not accessory buildings. Mr. Michels, seconded by Mr. Kimbrel, moved approval as conditioned. Mr. Johnson suggested the added condition that the color of the accessory structure match that of the main building. The amended motion passed unanimously, with Mr. Peterson abstaining. Case No. DR/97 -24 Design review of exterior signage for Acapulco Restaurant at 1240 Frontage Road West, River Heights Plaza. Terry Semo, DeMars Signs Inc., representing the applicant. The applicant was not present. The case was tabled until later in the meeting. When the case was reconsidered, there was some question as to 0 0 the signage elevation. According to the condition of approval, the proposed signage is on the south elevation. Mr. Lieberman then moved approval as conditioned. Mr. Michels seconded the motion; all in favor. Case No. DR/97 -25 Design review of building documents and signage for Video Update at Curve Crest and Stillwater Boulevard (County Road 5). Peter Johnson, representing the applicant. Present for the discussion were Peter Johnson and Chris Peterson. Jeff Johnson confirmed that the main signage would be on Curve Crest and the east elevation, with no signage facing County Road 5. It was noted that signage is requested for the south and east side of the building, rather than south and west as indicated in the agenda packet. Peter Johnson and Chris Peterson answered questions regarding lighting, materials, location of mechanicals and landscaping. Mr. Michels suggested the proposed landscaping plan be modified to use spruce or some type of low hedging to provide a screening from headlights. Peter Johnson said he was not opposed to any changes in the landscaping and would be willing to work with Ms. Fitzgerald. Mr. Michels moved approval as conditioned, with the added condition that the applicant work with Ms. Fitzgerald regarding the landscaping. Brent Peterson seconded the motion. Jeff Johnson reiterated that the signage is on the south and east elevation, not the west, and noted that the mechanicals on the roof must be screened; the screening should match the building. The amended motion passed unanimously. Case No. DR/97 -26 Design review of a 340+ space parking ramp at South Second and East Olive streets. John Roettger, applicant. Present for the discussion were John Roettger and his architect, Jerry Runk, and John Bourdaghs of Shorty Cleaners. Members generally were in favor of the design concept as proposed. Samples were provided of the brick and awning colors. There were some questions about rooftop lighting. Mr. Runk and Ms. Fitzgerald noted there are code issues involved with parking ramp lighting; it was agreed to look at possible ways of minimizing the impact of the roof lighting, while meeting code. There was some discussion about the south elevation design, which Mr. Runk himself said he was a bit concerned with and was still working on. ! • There was considerable discussion about the proposed tower feature at the south -east corner. Mr. Roettger and Mr. Runk said the openness of the glass provides for security of patrons. Mr. Michels suggested flattening out the tower feature or rounding it off like the other entrance. It was pointed out that a sign package must be submitted so signage isn't an issue everytime a retail tenant moves. Mr. Kimbrel moved approval as conditioned, clarifying condition of approval No. 2 to indicate a sign package must be presented to the HPC as part of the final design approval. Mr. Johnson suggested that the HPC should be involved in reviewing the details of the project as final plans are developed. Mr. Kimbrel agreed to amend his motion to indicate that in addition to review /approval of any changes to the concept plan, the HPC is to be involved in the review /approval in the final design development phase of the project, and that a sign package be incorporated into the final design plans. Mr. Michels seconded the amended motion; motion passed unanimously. Case No. DR/97 -27 Design review of a 76 -unit condominium at 304 S. Second St. John Roettger, applicant. Present were John Roettger and architect Jerry Runk. Mr. Runk explained that they had several problems with the previously proposed project: access for vehicles and pedestrians, which led to the Third Street entrance; taking advantage of the view of the river and downtown Stillwater, thus the undulating facade of the structure; and providing parking on -site. Mr. Runk said they attempted to move the building back to the south of the site and had purchased a parcel of property from SuperValu in order to accomplish their goals of addressing what they considered to be the problems with the previous project. Brick and roofing samples were provided. Much of the discussion centered on the design features of the Third Street elevation. Members felt the facade at that elevation needs to be broken up somehow; several suggestions were provided. There was also discussion about the proposed roof patio and elevator which would add 16'6 above the highest floor. Mr. Johnson suggested that perhaps the patio could be provided to a lower level, thus reducing the added height of the elevator equipment. Mr. Runk showed photos that 0 indicated the proposed structure is still within the tree line; Mr. Johnson asked that a rendering be done showing the proposed patio /elevator in relation to the tree line. Mr. Johnson also commented on the "repetitiveness" of the building. He suggested that perhaps changing colors or window treatments might break up some of the massing. Mr. Runk noted the applicant is looking for concept approval only at this point, and the HPC will be able to review the project as design details are developed. Mr. Michels, seconded by Mr. Johnson, moved to accept the design concept with the added condition that the HPC be involved in the review /approval of the final design development phase of the project. Mr. Lieberman said that motion would not be giving the Planning Commission any direction; he suggesting commenting on each of the design guidelines in the Bluff City Site Design Guidelines. Members agreed and made the following comments on the Bluff City Guidelines: • Pedestrian Oriented - Mr. Lieberman noted a concern about the pedestrian orientation of the Second Street elevation; a concern about the mass of the building on the Third Street elevation; access between the Third and Second Street elevations; and a pedestrian - friendly orientation at the southeast elevation. • Proportion and Height - It was noted concerns were raised about going beyond the 50 -foot height and about the massing of the building, with the suggestion that detailing around the window openings may help scale down the massing. • Materials/ Finishes - Color- Fixtures - Signage- Lighting- Equipment - Those details will be reviewed later in the design development. • Setback - The project meets the setback on Second Street; a variance will be required on Third Street. It was noted the proposed Third Street setback is consistent with the existing structures. • Parking - It was noted parking is a Planning Commission issue. The proposal does meet all the parking requirements for tenants on -site. • Landscaping - Landscaping also will be reviewed at a later date. It was noted that removal of trees should be kept to a minimum. Mr. Lieberman noted there is a requirement that landscaping make up 20 percent of the site. Mr. Michels and Mr. Johnson agreed to amend their motion of approval to include the Bluff City Site comments; motion passed unanimously. Other business: 0 0 • Approval of Dutchtown Architectural Survey preparation - Ms. Fitzgerald reported that seven RFPs were sent with only one returned, that being from Don Empson. Mr. Peterson, seconded by Mr. Michels, moved to approve the proposal from Mr. Empson; motion passed unanimously. Ms. Fitzgerald reported there is grant money for the survey; she also said each member will be asked to work on about 15 survey sites. • Review of existing sign for Mark Balay Architects - Mr. Balay has moved his sign to his new business location. • Historic tax credits for the Territorial Prison Hotel - A copy of the review sheet of the Historic Preservation Certification Application was included in the agenda packet. • Letter from Robert Briggs of Eckberg, Lammers, Briggs, Wolff & Vierling requesting modification or elimination of the signage restriction along County Road 5 in the West Business Park - Steve Russell was present for the discussion and provided members with a memorandum he had prepared for the City Council in response to the letter. It was the consensus that the HPC opposes any changes to the sign ordinance, but would encourage people to come before the HPC with any concerns they might have. • Mr. Lieberman raised the issue of the placement of on- street vending machines and suggested the City Council should look at the issue. On a motion by Mr. Lieberman, seconded by Mr. Peterson, the meeting was adjourned at 11 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Sharon Baker Recording Secretary 9 0 (S, 1 a ter HE BIRTHPLACE OF MINNESOTA T A HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION HERITAGE PRESERVATION NOTICE THE STILLWATER HERITAGE PRESERVATION COMMISSION WILL MEET MONDAY, OCTOBER 6, 1997 at 7:00 p.m. CITY HALL 216 NORTH FOURTH STREET Approval of September 3, 1997 minutes. AGENDA Case No. DR/97 -22. Design review of exterior sign for "Jeepers" at 304 North Main Street. Pamela Powell, applicant. 2. Case No. SUP/DR/97 -57. Design review of proposed bed and breakfast at 1117 North Fourth Street - The Rose Cottage Inn. Mark Balay representing applicant, Aldine West. Case No. DR/97 -23. Design review of storage building at 1951 Northwestern Avenue. W. Ross Buchman, for applicant IncStar. 4. Case No. DR/97 -24. Design review of exterior signage for Acapulco Restaurant at 1240 Frontage Road West - River Heights Mall. Terry Semo, DeMars Signs, Inc. representing applicant. Case No. DR/97 -25. Design review of building documents and signage for Video Update at Curve Crest Blvd and Stillwater Blvd. Peter Johnson, representing applicant. 6. Case No. DR/97 -26. Design review of a 340+ parking spaces parking ramp at South 2nd Street and East Olive Street. John Roettger, applicant. 7. Case No. DR/97 -27. Design review of a 76 unit condominium at 304 South 2nd Street. John Roettger. applicant. Other Items: a. Approval of Dutchtown Architectural Survey investigator. b. Division of survey sites for Dutchtown Architectural Survey. c. Review of existing sign for Mark Balay Architects. d. Update - Recommendation for approval of historic tax credits for the Territorial Prison Hotel. CITY HALL: 216 NORTH FOURTH STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 PHONE: 612 - 439 -6121