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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1997-12-01 HPC MINf } Heritage Preservation Commission Dec. 1, 1997 C� Present: Roger Tomten, chairperson Jeff Johnson, Robert Kimbrel, Howard Lieberman and Brent Peterson Absent: Katherine Francis and Jay Michels Others: Sue Fitzgerald, planning Chairman Tomten called the meeting to order at 7 p.m. Approval of minutes Mr. Johnson, seconded by Mr. Peterson, moved approval of the minutes of Nov. 3, 1997; all in favor. Case No. DEM /97 -1 Public hearing on demolition of residence at 1010 Third Ave. S. Orwin L. Carter, applicant Mr. Carter was present. He provided additional information requested at the November HPC meeting, including a survey and legal description of the property, photos of the site, inspection and engineering report detailing the cost of restoring the residence, and copy of a newspaper ad for removal of the structure. One neighbor was in attendance. Leona Smith, 105 Fourth Ave. S., said she had no problem with demolition of the residence. Mr. Lieberman noted this is the first request to be considered under the city's new ordinance (814) and suggested going through each of the ordinance requirements. He also suggested that some language in the ordinance needs clarification; members agreed to deal with the language clarification as a separate issue. After members briefly discussed each of the nine requirements, Mr. Lieberman moved to allow the demolition. Mr. Johnson seconded the motion. Motion passed 4 -1, with Mr. Kimbrel voting no. Case No. DR.97 -29 Design review of an exterior walk -up window at 131 S. Main St. Sandy Hudson, applicant Ms. Hudson was present for the discussion. She explained the window is being requested to accommodate customers desiring to purchase ice cream. The window would be of minimal size she said; a former door covered by siding would be opened up, with half of the opening utilized for the window. The window will be flush with the building, and may be set in somewhat so window shutters can be flush with the building when closed. The only signage would be inside the window, she stated. Mr. Peterson, seconded by Mr. Kimbrel moved approval as conditioned. Mr. Johnson suggested adding the additional conditions that the trim colors and materials match the existing colors /materials; that no additional signage be allowed; and that there be no projections onto the sidewalk. Mr. Peterson and Mr. Kimbrel accepted the additional conditions; the motion as amended passed unanimously. Case No. DR/97 -28 Design review of an exterior sign at 129 S. Main St., Bob and Connie Lotspeich, applicants The applicants were present for the discussion. The new sign will be the same size (2' x 10') as the previous business signage. The sign, being constructed by Stillwater Sign, will be a metallic gold background with raised black lettering and two roses painted at each end; color samples were not available at the meeting. Mr. Johnson reminded Ms. Hudson, building owner, that a comprehensive sign plan should be developed for the building. Mr. Peterson, seconded by Mr. Lieberman, moved approval as conditioned. Case No. DR/97 -30 Design review of exterior signage at 1732 Market Drive, Jack Krongard, applicant Mr. Krongard was present for the discussion. Mr. Tomten asked whether the Planning Commission had approved the amended sign plan for Market Place and whether the Planning Commission held a public hearing on the proposed changes. Ms. Fitzgerald stated the Planning Commission did approve the amended sign plan, but did not hold a public hearing. Mr. Krongard noted that he is the first person to make application since the Market Place comprehensive sign plan was revised to allow signage on County Road 5. He stated he believed he has conformed to the requirements. Ms. Fitzgerald noted the business name must be removed from the car wash menu board to comply with the revised ordinance; Mr. Krongard agreed to do so. Mr. Johnson moved approval as conditioned. Ms. Fitzgerald suggested adding the condition that a sign permit be applied for. Mr. Johnson accepted that additional condition. Mr. Peterson seconded the amended motion; all in favor. Mr. Lieberman asked that the minutes reflect that the Heritage Preservation Commission had recommended that the Planning Commission hold a public hearing on the proposed changes to the Market Place sign plan. Mr. Tomten also expressed a concert about the "lack of communication" between the Planning Commission and HPC. It was also noted that item d of No. 7 in the revised sign plan should be all letters to be 5" in depth, not 5', as indicated on the copy in the packet. J Other business: • Ms. Fitzgerald told members she would like to have the Dutchtown surveys by the next meeting; she also recommended going over architectural types at the next meeting. • Ms. Fitzgerald reported that she had a meeting with SHPO and SHPO has indicated it may be receptive to the City applying for a grant to re -do the South Hill survey. Members were in consensus to have Ms. Fitzgerald make the grant application. • Members recommended the following revisions to the Demolition Ordinance: subd. 5, paragraph a, add the language: "historically significant or potentially historically significant as defined in subd. 2a and 2b, respectively; add language to definition 2a indicating historically significant can be of local or national significance or significant in the historical contexts established for the city of Stillwater. There also was discussion about the language relating to advertisement for sale. It was suggested requiring that applicants have the property in the MLS listing for a period of not less than 30 days; Ms. Fitzgerald said she would check with City Attorney David Magnuson to see if that would be permissible. • Mr. Johnson noted the membership of the HPC needs to be clarified to reflect that the Commission is a 7- member body, not 8. • It was the consensus of the members that Mr. Tomten continue as chairman for another year. Mr. Lieberman, seconded by Mr. Peterson, made that in the form of a motion. Mr. Tomten agreed to serve; motion passed unanimously. Mr. Kimbrel, seconded by Mr. Johnson, moved to adjourn at 8:35 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Sharon Baker Recording Secretary 3 I f 1 6 0 Heritage Preservation Commission Dec. 1, 1997 Present: Roger Tomten, chairperson Jeff Johnson, Robert Kimbrel, Howard Lieberman and Brent Peterson Absent: Katherine Francis and Jay Michels Others: Sue Fitzgerald, planning Chairman Tomten called the meeting to order at 7 p.m. Approval of minutes Mr. Johnson, seconded by Mr. Peterson, moved approval of the minutes of Nov. 3, 1997; all in favor. Case No. DEN/97 -1 Public hearing on demolition of residence at 1010 Third Ave. S. Orwin L. Carter, applicant Mr. Carter was present. He provided additional information requested at the November HPC meeting, including a survey and legal description of the property, photos of the site, inspection and engineering report detailing the cost of restoring the residence, and copy of a newspaper ad for removal of the structure. One neighbor was in attendance. Leona Smith, 105 Fourth Ave. S., said she had no problem with demolition of the residence. Mr. Lieberman noted this is the first request to be considered under the city's new ordinance (814) and suggested going through each of the ordinance requirements. He also suggested that some language in the ordinance needs clarification; members agreed to deal with the language clarification as a separate issue. After members briefly discussed each of the nine requirements, Mr. Lieberman moved to allow the demolition. Mr. Johnson seconded the motion. Motion passed 4 -1, with Mr. Kimbrel voting no. Case No. DR.97 -29 Design review of an exterior walk -up window at 131 S. Main St. Sandy Hudson, applicant Ms. Hudson was present for the discussion. She explained the window is being requested to accommodate customers desiring to purchase ice cream. The window would be of minimal size she said; a former door covered by siding would be opened up, with half of the opening utilized for the window. The window will be flush with the building, and may be set in somewhat so window shutters can be flush with the building when closed. The only signage would be inside the window, she stated. a • Mr. Peterson, seconded by Mr. Kimbrel moved approval as conditioned. Mr. Johnson suggested adding the additional conditions that the trim colors and materials match the existing colors /materials; that no additional signage be allowed; and that there be no projections onto the sidewalk. Mr. Peterson and Mr. Kimbrel accepted the additional conditions; the motion as amended passed unanimously. Case No. DR/97 -28 Design review of an exterior sign at 129 S. Main St., Bob and Connie Lotspeich, applicants The applicants were present for the discussion. The new sign will be the same size (2' x 10') as the previous business signage. The sign, being constructed by Stillwater Sign, will be a metallic gold background with raised black lettering and two roses painted at each end; color samples were not available at the meeting. Mr. Johnson reminded Ms. Hudson, building owner, that a comprehensive sign plan should be developed for the building. Mr. Peterson, seconded by Mr. Lieberman, moved approval as conditioned. Case No. DR/97 -30 Design review of exterior signage at 1732 Market Drive, Jack Krongard, applicant Mr. Krongard was present for the discussion. Mr. Tomten asked whether the Planning Commission had approved the amended sign plan for Market Place and whether the Planning Commission held a public hearing on the proposed changes. Ms. Fitzgerald stated the Planning Commission did approve the amended sign plan, but did not hold a public hearing. Mr. Krongard noted that he is the first person to make application since the Market Place comprehensive sign plan was revised to allow signage on County Road 5. He stated he believed he has conformed to the requirements. Ms. Fitzgerald noted the business name must be removed from the car wash menu board to comply with the revised ordinance; Mr. Krongard agreed to do so. Mr. Johnson moved approval as conditioned. Ms. Fitzgerald suggested adding the condition that a sign permit be applied for. Mr. Johnson accepted that additional condition. Mr. Peterson seconded the amended motion; all in favor. Mr. Lieberman asked that the minutes reflect that the Heritage Preservation Commission had recommended that the Planning Commission hold a public hearing on the proposed changes to the Market Place sign plan. Mr. Tomten also expressed a concert about the "lack of communication" between the Planning Commission and HPC. It was also noted that item d of No. 7 in the revised sign plan should be all letters to be 5" in depth, not 5', as indicated on the copy in the packet. 2 Mr. Kimbrel, seconded by Mr Johnson, moved to J Respectfully submitted, Sharon Baker Recording Secretary 3 0 utchtown surveys i Other business: d members she would like ite turaltype at the next meetin; Ms. Fitzgerald to l ended going over ar meeting; she also recomm p and SpyC has indica' with SRP Ms. Fitzgerald reported that she had a meeting for a grant to re -do the South Hill survey- Merr have Ms. Fitzgerald make the grant application. receptive to the City applying consensus to h Demolition p revisions to the D tentially historic ended the following fi or p to definition M recomm "historically sign parag raph a, add the langua8e respectively; add language 'cant i as defined in subd. 2a and 2b, ficance or sign i ficant can be of local or national signl app li ca nts h� historically o f Stillwater. There also was h discuss ion abo was ested requiring contexts established for the city s Ms Fitzgerald said relating to advertisement eriod o f ess than 30 day wou ld be permissible. in the MLS listing for a p uson to see if that with City Attorney David MaBn clarified tc Mr Johnson noted the membership of the HPC needs to be • Commission is a 7- member body, not 8. embers that Mr• Tomten contin e form ofrn sus oft the members M Peterson, made that r It was the consen Mr. Lieberman seconded by agreed to serve; motion passed unanim . ad ourn at 8:3 5 p.m.