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COUNCIL CHAMBERS
Stillwater, Minnesota November 3, 1981 7:30 P. M.
REGULAR MEETING
The meeting was called to order by President Junker.
The Invocation was given by the City Clerk.
Present: Councilwomen Avise and Bodlovick, Councilmen MacDonald and
Peterson and Mayor Junker
Absent: None
Also Present: Finance Director /Coordinator, Kriesel; City Clerk, Schnell;
City Attorney, Magnuson; Superintendent of Public Works, Shelton;
Public Safety Director, Abrahamson; Director of Parks & Recreation,
Blekum; Consulting Engineers, Elliott and Moore; Building Official,
Zepper.
Press: St. Croix Valley Free Press - Jeanne Landkammer
Stillwater Gazette - Bob Liberty
Citizens: Mr. & Mrs. Robert Collins, Dan MacDonald Family, Wade Green, Mr. &
Mrs. James Swanson, Gene Schleusner, Elvira Conley. Mildred Sawyer,
Mrs. Harry Peterson, Jane F. Smith, Jerry Mahoney, Mr. & Mrs. Neal
Casey, Marvel Old, Roy Holsten, John and Pauline Dahl, Ray Marshall;
Ron Axdahi, Nancy Olson, Mrs. Gary Hanson, Molly Stewart, Joan Mc
Milian, Mr. & Mrs. William McDonough
INDIVIDUALS & DI 3GATI0NS
None
PETITIONS
From Mr. & Mrs. Bernard Harvieux, West Anderson Street, requesting the vacation of
a portion of South Harriet Street (south of West Anderson Street).
On motion of Councilwoman Bodlovick, seconded by Councilwoman Avise, the Council
directed that the City Clerk send a letter to Mr. William McKnight giving him notice
of the proposed street vacation, and schedule mhel ingfonosame for the next regular
Council meeting for November 17, 1981.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
1. This was the day and time for the continuation of the public hearing for a Special
Use Permit for John and Pauline Dahl for a teahoust /reception center at 210 East
Laurel Street.
The Mayor opened the hearing.
COUNCILMAN PETERSON asked to be excused as he is a party to this request.
RAY MARSHALL representing the Dahls, asked that this request be granted pursuant to
reasonable conditions and they are willing to discuss the proposal.
Fe HOLSTEN appeared for the opposition of the neighborhood on this request and
distributed a handout to the members of the Council on the zoning ordinance. The
minutes of the last meeting indicated that this was a Medium Density Multiple Family
residential district and it was his understanding that it is a "Two Family District"
and the rules vary slightly, but not to a great degree. He cited the uses that are
permitted in this particular district (1) those of a social services for the community
area; (2) schools which are social needs of the community; (3) cemetery, churches and
other places of worship; (4) the main building of clergymen, architects, etc. - he
felt that this did not fit what they are talking about in this request as these are
small businesses in the home with low volume traffic around thew; (5) other
commercial uses found not be objectionable to the neighborhood. He did not feel that
this fits the definition of the problem that is being presented at this time as he
understood that there has been some objection raised - if it is read any other way it
would have to be based upon factors, then he would say that this is vague and un-
constitutitional.
In addition "local retail businesses of the corner store variety normally required
for the daily needs of the locality such as an establishment for the sale of dairy
products, delicatessen, fruits, etc. - he did not feel that the use that this building
is going to be put to would be in this category and it is not a multi - family dwelling.
He felt that the use that is being asked for does not fit this ordinance in any-
thing other than this would be a rezoning of the area and not to be used as a Special
Use Permit.
He made reference to another section whereby if a Special Use Permit is to be
granted no such permit shall be granted unless it is found that the use for such
permit is sought will not be injurious to the neighborhood for the public welfare or
be in harmony to the general purpose of this ordinance. (continued on page 28)
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On the last page he referred factors
Council finds this the look
at, as he understands it, g that the
Special Use Permit that is being asked of them to pass upon and that is (1) the
character and use of both adjoining property of land and buildings- from the testimony
heard the last time that this particular area that is residential and did not feel
thrt there w an (2 athecamounteof that to a use and
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the hour upon which the traffic would generally be generated - he understood that
the petitioners have asked that they be limited to somewhere around 80 and he assumed
that most of these would be evening type activities and some would also be on the week-
ends - the amount of vehicles that would be parked on the street and cars pulling out
from the house or the parking lot and there are going to be traffic problems (3) noise,
odor and glare that would eminate from the proposed use - he felt that the use of
amplifiers would be the noise factor regardless of the kind of music - he did not feel
that they could control the amount of noise by limiting the number of people in a place
or the kind of instruments - (4) air pollution control, solid waste6torage and disposal
measures are a problem.
He read the record of the last meeting and he has checked with Mr. Shelton and e
was informed that this particular building is one of the very few in Stillwater that
is not on City sewer and that they have a septic system that services that building. He
felt that to have somehwere between 40 to 80 people come in for a wedding reception and /''
the cooking of meals and the washing of dishes would be totally incompatible with a
septic system and felt that there had been no evidence to date that experienced be resolved. He made reference to run -off problems that have
Washington County Historical Society just below this property = - did not know it it
was from this residence. He did not feel that this type of operation would be compatible
with this type of system.
He felt that the Dahls were very sincere about not having liquor on their establish-
__ went but he felt that it could be brought in and that liquor would be involved.
Se did not feel that the use that the Council was being asked to pass upon is
comptarible with the ordinance and would not allow the use of the building for a reception
hall whether it was by private invitation or open to the public - this is a "Commercial"
use in a residential area and the items of concern of the neighbors being the traffic
safety - the noise problem - septic system problem and the other future problems, in-
cluding the liquor problem - he did not feel that the Coundil should act in a favorable
manner on this petition.
DAN MAC DONALD, 118 East Laurel, stated that a number of the neighbors in that
particular area are violently opposed to the proposed use - they have a number of concerns
and one of his greatest concerns was that if the Council did grant this Special Use
Permit, that they are really establishing a very dangerous precident. If he should
come to the Council within a few months for the same type of permit for his home that
has about the same value today as the Peterson home, what would the Council's response
be to him. :his is an area of principally one family homes and the neighborhood would
like to keep it that way - he was very muck concerned about the property value of his
home - what will happen to the value of that home should this usage be granted - in the
past Mr. Peterson has been a great defender of the neighborhood and the community - he
has taken the position that we should keep business where business belongs - they in the
neighborhood feel that this is definitely a "commercial "establishment and they are con-
cerned that the sale of the property is contingent upon this permit being granted - they
feel that they have one of the finest neighborhoods in the City of Stillwater and they
would like to keep it that way - he congratulated the Council in their solving the pro-
blems that were being experienced with Pioneer Park with the restrictions that were
placed on it. They were requesting the denial of this Special Use Permit.
NEAL CASEY, 107 East Laurel, stated that they are against any commercialization of the
North Hill and supported Mr. MacDonald's statements.
WADE GREEN, 116 East School Street, stated that he wanted to keep it as a private you will
neighborhood and not a business district - it one tthe willl
and before you know it you have artique shops, nec
off right now that they could continue to keep it as a "residential" neighborhood.
RAY MARSHALL, attorney for the petitioner, stated that he disagreed pith Mr. Holsten
that this is a "commercial" use under the statutes as under the ordinance it is a
permitted "special use" - the house will continue to be used for residential purposes -
reasonable conditions can be imposed by the Council - he felt that the reference to
the septic system is irrevelant as far as he knew that system does work - Mr. Peterson
testified at the last hearing that they frequently have large gatherings there and to his
knowledge they had no problems with the system whatsoever - if the system fails they will
make the ncessary repairs. The Council could improse a restriction that they keep the
system in proper repair and that the Dahls would agree with thrt.
JOAN MC MILLAN 2321 - 101st Street stated that she has been working with the Petersons
and the Dahls and she detailedthe parking - there is one parking area way back and that
is not in view of anybody and then there would be a+:.ther area and there were several
ways to come out of the property, and the driveway already there.
COUNCILWOMAN BODLOVICK asked about the on -site system and MR. PETERSON confirmed the
fact that this property does have an on -site system.
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MAYOR JUNKER asked Mr. Shelton which sewer line that property would have to hook
into and MR. SHELTON stated that when they did the reconstruction of North Second
Street and as he recalled they repaired the sewer in that area just beyond Laurel
and he was quite sure that there is rock in that area but a lot of that street was
also sandy so it was possible that the sewer could be put into that area with the
type of pump systems that they have now - it is expensive, but it could be done.
COUNCILWOMAN BODLOVICK, asked about the run -off problems at the Historcial Scoiety
and MR. PETERSON replied that he has never been informed of any problems from their
septic system that has interferred with the old prison property, the Historical
Society property or any other - the septic system that he has is in the orchard
area and it is very close to Second Street - it is a septic system that is served
by three 45 foot field drains that were put in about 20 years ago and it is a very
porous soil there - he has never heard of any runoff. He stated there is plenty of
other area if an auxiliary septic system had to be installed and there is probably
acres in which a field drain could be installed in order to accommodate possibly
100 people per nite. As far as surface drainage the whole bank goes that direction
and he was not aware of a pipe drain in that area, it is just the natural drainage
that goes down the Laurel Street steps.
n MAYOR JUNKER stated that the problem at the Historical Society was a broken pipe at
the museum itself and there was a new pipe put in Main Street for them.
MAYOR JUNKER asked Mrs. Dahl when you talk about a tearoom if she was talking about
20 women at two or three o'clock in the afternoon for a tea party.
MRS DAHL stated that the wedding reception concept was used over and over again and
she really felt because they are going to be limited by the size of the house and
they are going to be limited by parking, wedding receptions, she felt, is not going
to be their biggest thing - she would think that they would have more like bridal
dinners, rehearsal dinners, anniversary parties, private birthday parties would be
far more apt tc fit the size of the operation that they are talking about and if it
was a wedding reception it would be a very small one and that noise and bands and
alcohol and all of these kinds of things would not be a big problem - she is planning
on much smaller groups, and she would like to have tea parties.
MAYOR JUNKER stated that what really bothered him, if they were to have 60 to 70
people there then they would have to have parking and that would mean blacktop
or crushed rock and he personally felt that they were taking away from the beauti-
fication of the home itself and that they would be giving the neighbors some of
the concerns of what they have to look at - if she was to have a tea party at two
o'clock in the afternoon with 25 women and ten cars he was sure that there would be
no objections - how about Saturday afternoon or Friday with 40 cars in a blacktop
parking lot - he could sec the neighbors concerns - if she was to have a three day
a week tea party for three hours, he did not feel that there would be any objections,
but he did believe that with a wedding reception or any large gathering of people
where you have 40 to 50 cars which could happen - have to look down the future at
this - it could and will happen - then he felt that the neighbors do have a concern-
then it is a commercial building.
MRS. DAHL asked if he felt that a parking lot properly done which would not be
offensive - they are not planning to tear up the entire yard to do that - they have
the two places that they are talking about - they will be living there and they want
to keep it as lovely as it is now - they are concerned and they feel that they have
a solution for it with the two areas that have been described.
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COUNCILWOMAN AVISE asked for clarification as to the parking areas which were
explained again by Ms. McMillan - north of the garage and to the east of the home.
COUNCILWOMAN AVISE asked how they would come in and out of that area and they
explained that they would come in on Laurel and come out or the circular driveway
and out once again on Second Street.
DAN MAC DONALD felt that the number of people should be clarified and the number of
80 people was mentioned at the Planning Commission meeting and he felt that it was
ria.'culous to have that number of people using a facility that is on a septic tank -
it was his understanding that when there is a change like this that the City require
that they have City sewer before the change is made and felt also that it was danger-
ous to take a piece of property like this and to have the sale contingent upon this
Special Use Permit as they are obviously talking about a commercial establishment.
MR. ZEPPER did not feel that the septic system would be a problem - an on -site
system can be made functional - there is a lot of area - and did not feel that this
was a very valid argument.
MAYOR JUNKER felt that was a bad statement - there are springs running to the river
from there - he felt that if the permit was granted that they would have to make
them put in a pumping station fr',m the house to the Second Street sewer or hookup
to Main Street - once you put in an on -site sewer system in, then where do you go
with the new one ten years from now if a commercial property had to use that much
and has to have another one.
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MR. MARSHALL stated that there is nothing wrong with the existing system - we are
not talking about any more intense use than it is presently being used for - the
Petersons have had large gatherings there on a number of occasions and they are
not talking about 70 or 80 people coming there to live or stay overnite, or stay for
long periods of time. He did not think that they are talking about the kind of use
that is going to intensify or necessarily cause that system to immediately fail -
they are not interested in having a system that does not work - if it should ever
fail, they will take care of it.
MAYOR JUNKER stated that he agreed with him, but if you go to the South Pill of
Stillwater they have on -site sewer systems and the problems there have not yet come
up to n great extent, but when they do, the City will have a problem - there are
currently problems there now with three or four of them - Mr. Bradshaw is having all
kinds of problems with the sewer system and he is trying to hookup with the City of
Oak Park Heights and he believes that if this permit is granted, there would have to
be a stipulation that they hookup to the City sewer with a pumping system - they run
$10,000 and he believed that for Dahls own benefit and for the City's benefit that they
shald be made to do it if this is granted. You cannot rely on the on -site sewer system
when you have 70 to 80 people there - there would have to be quite a few drain fields
to take care of any large family.
MR. MARSHALL felt that a hookup in the case of a failure would be a reasonable condition -
a hookup right now when the system is working is probably not a reason.
THE MAYOR CLOSED THE HEARING.
COUNCILWOMAN AVISE asked if the Council could discuss what she had asked Mr. Magnuson
to draw up and see what the feelings are - this was a proposal for a Proposed Special
Use Permit and she read the proposal at this time:
A Special Use Permit for the operation of a reception and tea room is hereby
granted on the following terms and conditions:
1. That the facility, before doing business, meet all fire, life safety and
building code regulations of the State of Minnesota and the City of Stillwater.
2. That the facility shall not be in use or nperation after the hour of 1:00 A. M.
3. That the consumption of wine within the meaning of Stillwater ordinances shall
be permitted. However, prior to the consumption of intoxicating liquors on the premises,
the permit holder shall apply for a consumption permit fifteen (15) days in advance of
the consumption.
4. No identification, advertising or other signs shall be permitted, except those
specifically authorized by the City Council.
5. The permit holder shall take every reasonable step to insure that patrons will
park on the premises and not on the public street adjacent thereto.
6. The capacity shall be limited to seventy (70) patrons.
7. Live music shall be prohibited except for stringed instruments of the "chamber"
variety and rock and country western music shall be prohibited completely.
8. That the facility shall not operate during Lumberjack Days.
9. That this permit is non - transferable and no rights or interest in this permit
may be assigned or otherwise transferred except by permission of the City Council.
10. This permit shall be reviewable six (6) month from the date of issuance and
at any time upon petitition of a substantial number of neighbors.
11. That the permitees agree that they have no vested rights in this permit and
that the terms and conditions herein imposed are reasonable and that violation of
any condition thereof shall be sufficient cause for the revocation of this permit.
She had a problem in adding a point if the existing septic system should fail
that hook -up to the City sewer would be required.
RAY MARSHALL stated that the restriction on the consumption permit for liquor was
agreeable through a Letter to the City Council - they have capacity for 80 and did
not know if going from 70 to 80 would be a problem, but they would like to reserve
the right to request if they have a group of 72 or 76 that they could request that
specific approval - other than that it was basically acceptable.
NEAL CASEY was arnfused on the number - he thought it was 25 or 30 person tea room
and we are now talking about 75 or 80 - is this a tearoom - 75 or £0 would not be
considered a tearoom.
ROY HOLSTEN stated that for the protection of the Dahls and the City that someone
with knowledge of septic system to see if this is feasible - he did not know if the
sale would go through if it had to be sewered - if the Dahls are prepared to put it
in if it doesn't go through - he did not feel that it would be sensible to godhead
if it fails and then you fix it.
MRS. NANCY OLSON asked who is going to enforce all of these restrictions - that the
place is closed up at one o'clock - that there will be no liquor served.
MAYOR JUNKER stated that it is the City of Stillwater's job to enforce it and he did
not feel that any of the Council is going up there and the Chief will go up there
and sit - there are a lot of restrictions.
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MRS. DAHL stated that if these are the restrictions and if these in any way
shape or form would help appease the neighborhood,she personally,and her husband,
would certainly go along with them. They want this permit and they want to keep
the permit and they would go nothing in the world to have the permit taken away -
they will be purchasing the home and be living there and hopefully provide a
service for Stillwater. She has been in contact with the Lowell Inn for a private
dining room for a bridal dinner for 30 people - 60 people is the minimum - and
she felt that they would be a compliment with the Lowell Inn with this type of
operation.
MR. CASEY asked if the Dahls did not live there, would that cancel that permit and
MAYOR JUNKER stated absolutely and they would have to live in that home for that
use that we are talking about - this would not be transferable.
COUNCILWOMAN BODLOVICK asked about the hours and asked if they put eleven o'clock
P. M. on the permit would that cause any hardships and she felt that possibly that
midnite would be a compromise.
JAYNE FINNEGAN SMITH was confused about the liquor requirements and this restriction
was re -read at this time
At the time of the Planning Commission meeting they were under the impression
that there would be only wine or champagne that would be served and now tonite they
are told at this time that with an application 15 days prior to a wedding reception
or an anniversary party, and there is a good chance that this would be approved,
and there will not only be a tearoom in this area, but they will also be faced
with having a "bar" and she really violently objected to that.
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MR. MAGNUSON stated that /they were making up the restrictions on this, they were
looking at it objectively and they could not imagine a reception without something
to drink - he checked with the Liquor Control Commission and they stated that this
is a common practice and there is no problem with it as long as it is not sold there -
if the caterer wants to serve liquor brought in by the patrons, that is fine - it
would be permissable under the State Law and if the Dahls wanted to do that, they
would notify the City and the City would keep a list of neighbors that would sign
up at City Hall and Dorothy would notify all of the neighbors so that the people
could keep an eye on the place during that time if there were any problems. They
were trying to arrive at some reasonable restrictions.
MRS. DAHL stated that they were not going to apply for a liquor license - they are
not going to encourage liquor at this place - if they request that they would like
a drink before dinner and if it is by law all right, and if it is permitted they
will have it sent in - it is not going to be a big deal - they might have one drink
before dinner - that is not what they are encouraging.
JAYNE F. SMITH asked hoathey planned to discourage this a•.l MRS. DAHL stated that
she would say that wine is available.
THE MAYOR CLOSED THE HEARING FOR THE SECOND TIME.
On motion of Councilwoman Avise, seconded by Councilwoman Bodlovick, that
the Special Use Permit be granted with the modification of the hour of operation
to be midnite as opposed to 1:00 A. M. and adding the clause stating that if there
is any failure at all of the septic system that attachment to the City Sewer be
required (the conditions of the proposal as previously indicated in the minutes).
VOTE ON THE MOTION - AYES -- Councilwomen Avise and Bodlovick
NAYS -- Councilman MacDonald and Mayor Junker
MAYOR JUNKER indicated that he is satisfied with the tearoom, but not a restaurant,
so he voted "no" on this proposal. ;permit denied)
2. This was the day and time for the public hearing on Case No. 420 for William
McDonough, 704 South First Street for a variance to permit two residences on one
piece of property by remodeling the carriage house for living quarters.
Notice of the hearing was published in the Stillwater Evening Gazette, the official
newspaper of the City on October 23, 1981 and copies were mailed to all property owners
within 300 feet. •
The Mayor opened the hearing.
MR. MC DONOUGH explained that they plan to put in living quarters with one bedroom
and it is contingent on bank financing and they do not have the specific plans drawn
up at this time.
No one appeared in favor or opposed to this request - it was approved by the Planning
Commission on October 26th.
The Mayor closed the hearing.
On motion of Councilwoman Avise, seconded by Councilman MacDonald, the Council
granted the variance for the remodeling of a carriage house at 704 South First
Street into living quarters. (all in favor)
Novemu..i 7, 1961
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3. This was the day and time for the public hearing for Case No. 432 for James Swanson,
320 South Hemlock Street for a chain saw sharpening service in a residential district.
Notice of the hearing was published in the Stillwater Evening Gazette, the
official newspaper of the City on October 23, 1981 and copies were mailed to all
property owners within 300 feet.
The Mayor opened the hearing.
MR. & MRS. SWANSON were in attendance and stated he set his own hours of four to
eight o'clock P. M. during the weekdays and weekends - that they will have an
extinguisher and that there will be no posted signs on the property - only newspaper
advertising.
No one appeared in favor or opposed to this request. The Planning Commission approved
this request on October 26th.
The Mayor closed the hearing.
On motion of Councilwoman Bodlovick, seconded by Councilwoman Avise,the Council
granted the Special Use Permit to James Swanson, 320 South Hemlock Street for a chain
sharpening service in a residential district. (all in favor)
4. This was the day and time for the public hearing on Case No. 433 for Ronald Axdahl,
310 South Sixth Street for a Special Use Permit to operate a small machine shop in
his basement.
Notice of the hearing was published in the Stillwater Evening Gazette, the official
newspaper of the City on October 23, 1981 and copies were mailed to all property owners
within 300 feet.
The Mayor opened the hearing.
MR. AXDAHL was in attendance and he will be the only employee and this would be his
full -time activity - the Planning Commission approved this request on October 26, 1981.
No one appeared in favor or opposed to same (He had presented a petition earlier that
his neighbors had signed and they were not opposed to this request).
The Mayor closed the hearing.
On motion of Councilwoman Bodlovick, seconeed by Councilwoman Avise, the Council
granted the Special Use Permit to Mr. Axdahl for a machine shop in his basement.
(all in favor)
UNFINISHED BUSINESS
None
NEW BUSINESS
1. On motion of Councilwoman Avise, seconeed by Councilman MacDonald, a resolution
was introduced "DIRECTING THE PAYMENT OF THE BILLS ".
AYES -- Councilwomen Avise and Bodlovick, Councilmen MacDonald and Peterson
and Mayor Junker
NAYS - -None (see resolutions)
INDIVIDUALS & DELEGATIONS (continued)
None at this point
APPLICATIONS
On motion of Councilman Peterson, seconded by Councilnan MacDonald, the Council
granted the following Contractor's Licenses: (all in favor)
Gausman Builders
907 Payne Avenue, St. Paul 55101 General New
Notch Building Systems
660 Transfer Rd., St. Paul 55114 General Renewal
COMMUNICATIONS
From the League of Minnesota Cities regarding the delay in payments from the State of
Minnesota.
Mr. Kriesel stated that this should not create any problems at the
present time.
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- -From Short- Elliott- Hendrickson regarding Main Street Parking Removals north
of Myrtle Street, United Parcel Service regarding on- street parking on Main
.. Street, also from the General Drivers on the same matter.
Mayor Junker stated that these will be referred to the Public Safety
Director and a letter will be sent to the State regarding the safety on
North Main Street - Chief Abrahamson will draft the letter and take it from there.
CITY CLERK'S REPORT
1. On motion of Councilwoman Bodlovick, seconded by Councilwoman Avise, the Council
referred the petition from Paul Emerson to rezone his property on County Road
No. 5 to the Planning Commission. (all in favor)
CITY COORDINATOR'S REPORT
1. MR. KRIESEL requested that the Council set up a date for a Budget Meeting and it
was agreed that this meeting would be held at 6:30 P. M. on November 10, 1981.
n 2. Thenewas discussion on the request from Grady Thompson, 1316 South Everett Street
to raise the water level of Brick Pond.
MR. ELLIOTT stated that drainage from the Brick Pond goes into Lily Lake and he felt
that it could be separately controlled, but it is construed at the present time
that the level of Lily Lake is also the control of Brick Pond - there is an inter-
connecting pipe under Greeley Street 0 he could see an advantage of controlling the
Brick Pond separately and the potential holding of it at a higher level and he felt
that it was a valid request and it might improve Lily Lake - it is something that
would require DNR input and input from their office. The total ownership of the
shoreline would have to be inventoried as to who would like the water at what level
and had no idea how long it would take to accomplish this - it is possible to do
it providing that you can get an agreement with the abutting property owners and
permission from DNR.
Questions were asked about assessing it back to the property owners and Mr.
Elliott felt that it could be done.
MR. MAGNUSON asked how would the Council distinguish between this and the Lily
Lake and the McKusick Lake projects ince these were done as a city wide benefit
because of the recreational areas and possibly a precident has been set.
MR. ELLIOTT stated that they could do a preliminary dheck with with Mr. Thompson and
possibly he could make a survey of the neighborhood and speed up the project.
MR. SHELTON stated that Mr. Thompson's house and Mr. Bohlken's house, if they
raised it two feet, would be the only houses affected as far as having their
footings under the level of the pond. All they would have to do is shoot the
pond now and shoot their footings and see that they are going to have - he knew
where Mr. Thompson's home was built, who built it and it was all fill and they have
a big inlet and if it is raised two feet and they have an two by twelve stuck in
the outlet from that pond to Lily Lake right now, if it is flowing over there and
it was the last time that he saw it just a little bit - if they want to take that
as an elevation and shoot their footings since they are the only two houses that
will be affected and the rest would in no way be affected by raising that pond up
four or five feet because they are all above that level - they all have basements
and they could have a problem. There is also a storm sewer in this area and we
could be tampering with something.
Mr. Elliott was directed to shoot the level of these two homes and
report back to the Council.
3. MR. KRIESEL made reference to the memo on the Residential Facility at 306 West
Olive Street and the number of residents from the month of February thru October -
the Administative Commttee felt that the City should send Mr. Richard Anderson a
letter stating that there is probable cause for revocation of the Special Use Permit
at 306 West Olive Street, and that the City Council would like to discuss the permit
at the next Council meeting.
On motion of Councilwoman Bodlovick, seconded by Councilimn Peterson, that
Mr. Richard Anderson be notified by letter of the possibility of his Special Use
Permit being revoked for non - conformance. (all in favor)
THE MAYOR DECLARED A RECESS FROM 8:40 to 8:50 P. M.
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CONSULTING ENGINEER'S REPORT
1. On motion of Councilwoman Bodlovick, seconded by Councilwoman .;vise, the Council
authorized the signing of the Change Order No. 3 for Local Improvement No. 184 which
results in a deletion from the original contract for a change in the watermains in
the Oak Glen Development. (all in favor)
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2 MR. ELLIOTT discussed with the Council the memo and feasibility for the Edgewood
Ditch Improvement which showed a total estimate of $65,172.75 for this project.
The high cost is due to the manner in which the pipe would have to be put in and
if this had been done originally it would not have been a big thing - it was a
solution at that time that appeared proper and there are about six or seven
property owners that are affected by it now.
Questions were asked about the possibility of recovering any of this by assessments
and MR. ELLIOTT stated that you would have to go to the publir hearing route and
it would be a very interesting public hearing - the drainage district for this goes
all the lay back into Fairmeadows and it would include a substantial portion of
Croixwood Seventh Addition, and Fifth Addition.
MR. MAGNUSON felt that it was discretionary with the Council - it would be similar
to the ravines in town and the question is what the responsibility is to make every
one of them to look pleasing - it does handle storm water run -off without any danger
to anybody and it would be just be a benefit tc a few people there - it would be
difficult to have a public hearing to delineate that entire watershed and then argue
with the properties in Fairmeadows that their market values increased by such an
assessment.
MR. KRIESEL asked for Council permission to see if there is some way that we can
come up with some form of financing, and there were concerns about the high cost
figures.
MR. ELLIOTT stated that the Council should make a decision sometime during the
time of the Oak Glen Project because of material costs increasing, and that the
Council make such a decision - within the next couple of weeks.
3. MR. MOORE Presented the final plans for the Industrial Park Lighting Project - it
is primarily the Industrial Park including Curve Crest Blvd. to Greeley Street and
ted cost
some lighting facilities on the Frontage Road and by the motel. The
t im a ted coati-
would be $207,544 and the assessments would be $1, 0 per otel, whereas
bility study it was $1,334 per acre.
On motion of Councilwoman Bodlovick, seconded by Councilwoman Avise, a resolution
was introduced "APPROVING. THE FINAL PLANS AND SPECS, DIRECTING THE CLERK TO ADVERTISE
FOR opening would be AN. ASSESSMENT
November 1981 and LOCAL e assessment T hearing l would h be bid
December 15, 1981 at 7:30 P. M. with a bid hold of seventh days.
AYES -- Councilwomen Avise and Bodlovick, Councilmen MacDonald and Peterson and
Mayor Junker
NAYS - -None (see resolutions)
4. MR. ELLIOTT appraised the Council of the problems that they are having with the
Burlington Northern on the Oak Glen Development Project.
5. MR. MOORE reported that the Oak Glen Project is progressing very well.
COMMITTEE REPORTS
PUBLIC SAFETY
1. On motion. of Councilman Peterson, seconded by Councilman MacDonald, the Council
authorized the Mayor and the City Clerk to sign the Capitol City Mutual Aid
Association Agreement. (all in favor)
PUBLIC WORKS
1. MF.. SHELTON reported that the reason that the Orleans Street barricade has not been
put in is because they had to order some signs and they should be arriving any day -
they have to have a sign "ROAD CLOSED AHEAD" and a sign "ROAD CLOSED ".
2. MR. SHELTON has had numerous requests for the stripping of South Fourth Street at
Pine Street - this will have a tendency to keep the cars on the right side and if
the Council so desires they will double -strip it with a yellow or white line.
(No action was indicated)
3. MR. SHELTON reported that he had a quote from Peter Miller on repairing the sewer
line on Hickory Street from North Fourth to North Second and it is not a very good
bid and he said that he would do it for $7,500 but it is not a guar teed bid.
He will continue to secure other bids and report back to the Co. .cil since this
is a real problem. MR. ELLIOTT was directed to send a member of their firm to check
out this problem and possibly recommend a temporary solution until spring.
4. MR. SHELTON AND MR. ZEPPER made a request fa.an Energy Management of Public Buildings
Seminr sinceaweadidahave some done Candcthedsameo not shouldtbet would be worthwhile
reviewed
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done about installing parking meters on
5 COUNCILMAN erILrO Street PETERSON M asked what is being
the barrels are ready and all he him that
has to do is find some meters 1 rsto a put td into them.
6. MR. SHELTON reposed that the sign has been ordered far the Senior Citizens Parking
meter. into the new Ogren
- th . SHELTON reported gett ghit they are putting
7, station was and t etn about the location with MR tSe LTONers getting
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in and vew y ands in that lthetsin where the new sidewalk the o rt put ln. w
in a new driveway and extending the sidewalk and the first meter to the north will
be removed and they will place three meters along
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BUILDING OFFICIAL'S REPORT
November 3, 1981
PASS & RECREATION
seconded by Councilwoman v s ,
On motion of Councilman Peterson,
authorized to advertise for wanting house attendants for iThs cheap (all
for l
2. MR_ '..LEKUM asked the Council how they were coming a eng with po
planting of memorial trees in the parks - they were not ready to take action at
this time.
as station
1. Mt. ZEPPER reported that he had a call and a letter about the abandoned g
at stn he nedt of f and lsetbacksnfortthets with the
MR. MAGNUSON building and
of andw e
questioned
MR. MAGNUSON N h s
e tated statat
ed that the ordinance provides for the abandonment of the non -
conforming uses and he would need a Special Use Permit to conduct a commercial
business and all filling stations require a Special Use Permit in any district.
There s discussion adopted. the Existing Business Ordinance and this ordinance was
MR. ZEPPER was directed to informithe parties that they would have to
make application for a Special Use Permit. conducted at the
Care Service that is being graders
2. MR. ZEPPER inquired about the Upe
have School Board approval and asked what the
Washington School for five days per week for first, second and third g
from s s0 to 6:00 s M. and they
in&
City's situation is on that king of an operation.
a school building for the same purposes and would be allowable for
MR. MAGNUSON stated that is nothing more than they are doing except different
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the present zoning.
MR. SHELTON stated that the problem up there on Linden Street use the
is that they
parking problem - heafelththatrtheyrked
north entrance to the school and causes a p g
for designate a p arking area for these people for pick -up
for extendded periods of time.
MAYOR JUNKER asked Mr. Shelton and Mr. Abrahamson to check this out and report
back at the next Council meeting. problems with Gerald
3. ZEPPER reported to the Council ehat we h avin g nee still having p m ul has another
m ittar
Cook, a
rk, a contractor who does not have a license and does not pull permit and asked
smw t hn
for Council direction as to forhhimd (Ken d Rydeen)
MR. about this
Macrec jail.
MR MAGNUSON recommended mended that we charge him with another crime as each repeated
violation is more serious and the judge g will sooner or later put him in j exmits to Ken Rydeen, unless he produces
and the next
Mr. Zepper that he hi pule to refuse permit issue P to Magnuson M. and Cook, an a formal
a time get a is pulling nthat the ee f the hparty and not for Mr.
time he gets a complaint that he bring
complaint. artments and he would like to
G do, ZEPPER again ice the matter of the bad ap
do something about ut licensing ng apartmments this year. He felt that there should be
some kind of licensing procedures if we have complaints on them and was thinking
about a figure of $5.00 per year.
MR. MAGNUSON felt that we could enforce the Housing Code and Mr. Zepper said that
there is the problem of getting in there.
will go in know that M R .
know that they can get in there, but they
MAYOR JUNKER felt that it should be automatic that he cool g
ZEPPER stated that they
tenant will be evicted the next month. go
ower when you suspect that something like this is going on you
MR. MAGNUSON stated that the Police Chief could knock on the door and cout g
maker the police P reasonable hour.
... make an inspection at any
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MR. MAGNUSON stated that he is receiving calls in his office of two people living
near the Bruces on North Second Street stating that there are people living in
the garage and MR. ZEPPER reported that he has a letter in his car which he has
been trying to deliver to this party, but cannot find him at home to give him the
letter.
COUNCIL REQUEST ITEMS
MAYOR JUNKER asked that the Council review the letter from Bruce Klosowsky in
regard to going t0 the seminar in New Orleans - the School District will pay $550
and the balance of $310 is being requested from the City and he will be going on
our time and the Union wants him to go on vacation, but he will be going on City
time according to him.
BRUCE would also like to have a different car arrangement and MR. KRIESEL stated
that he talked to Bruce on that aid this has been resolved.
MR. KRIESEL stated that the School District is willing to provide $550 to send
Bruce to the seminar and he felt that sending him to the seminar would imitate
to Bruce that the City feels that he is doing a good job. He also s -ated that he
would like to contact Washington County since Bruce's position takes care of the
whole Washington County Area and approach them to see if they will share in that.
Councilwoman Bodlovick, felt that Bruce should consider using his vacation
for this seminar.
QUESTIONS PROM THE PRESS REPRESENTATIVES
None
ORDINANCES
None
RESOLUTIONS
The following resolutions were read and roll call were unanimously adopted:
1. Directing the Payment of the Sills.
*2. Approving the Plans and Specs, Advertise for Bids and Order Assessment Hearing
for Local improvement No. 191.
* Not published before deadline - repassed November 17, 1981
Attest: ,xq
City C erk
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ADJOURNMENT
On motion of Councilwoman Bodlovick, seconded by Councilman MacDonald, the
meeting adjourned at 9:40 P. M.
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