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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1979-04-26 CC MIN7 • • 0 IP COUNCIL CHAMBER Stillwater, Minnesota Press: WAVN -- Gary Larson April 26, 1979 8:00 P. M. RECESSED MEETING The meeting was reconvened by President Junker Present: Councilman Harry Peterson and Councilman Powell and Mayor Junker Absent: Councilwoman Bodlovick, Councilman Roger Peterson Also Present: Finance Director /Coordinator, Kriesel; City Attorney, Magnuson; City Clerk, Schnell; Superintendent of Public Works, Shelton; Director of Parks & Recreation, Blekum; Consulting Engineer, Elliott Citizens: James Junker (Junker Sanitation Service) NEW BUSINESS 1. RATE INCREASE FOR DUMP BOXES - Junker Sanitation on April 9, 1979 requested a rate increase on the dump boxes behind Cityrl Hall to $80.00 per load - this is necessitated by the increases in his operating expenses (Landfill costs, fuel, labor and equipment costs). COUNCILMAN POWELL moved that the City should advertise for the furnishing of dump boxes in the City Parking Lot for the number of days a week that are required not to exceed three days per week - that the dump boxes be paid on a user basis and that all fees be collected by the contractor and that this be done on a six month trial basis. COUNCILMAN HARRY PETERSON stated that he was not prepared to second it and it caught him by surprise since the City is up against a May 1st deadline - he was concerned about finding some solution to this dump box problem since it is quite apparent that Jim is not interested in being the collector of fees and he did not see that the City should get involved in the collection of fees and if the City advertises for bids and don't get any bids including Jim - if he decides to pull his boxes and no one else bids the job, the City of Stillwater since right now. COUNCILMAN POWELL stated that twice a year the City has had City wide pickup of leaves and various garden materials spring and fall - essentially that should be the main source of debris so that when you talk about refrigerators, etc. MAYOR JUNKER asked where the City was going to dump the things on the City pickup and that they would not be taking refrigerators. MR. SHELTON responded that before the City had the dump boxes, they had the spring and fall pickup - they can do it in week now as all they are taking is grass, leaves and tree branches - but before they wound up with everything that people put on the curbs and it took 28 to 30 days to do this kind of pickup each fall and spring - before that he felt that all these kind of things went into someone's ravine - people aren't going to leave it on the curb or in your garage and they will dispose of it in some ditch or ravine. He felt that the boxes was probably one of the best services that the City could offer and it did cut down the time and they can finish the whole town in less than a week and Orrin Thomp- san's development has been added to the City. COUNCILMAN POWELL stated that you can do anything you want to do - if you want to do something you can do it. We have the leaves and debris this time of the year and the City will take them - if it should be that the City has a problem with this on a six month basis with stoves, refrigerators, etc. - the City could do one of two things - can advertise that Mr. Junker will pick them up for a fee or say that the City will pick them up and see what happens - if it works out fine - it doesn't work out that the City will have to look for some other alternative. MAYOR JUNKER asked Councilman Powell where the City was going to dump the leaves that they are picking up now. MR. SHELTON stated that they can be put in the old dumpsite within an enclosure or fence but if they get big articles the City has no place to take those unless the City can contract with Jim or somebody and he stated that he did not know where Jimmy takes his boxes. 265 ° it • • • • • (266 April 26, 1979 MAYOR JUNKER stated that the City could not take it there anyway. COUNCILMAN POWELL felt that they owed it to themselves to try his proposal . . . MAYOR JUNKER felt th,t we do not want these things out at the old dumpsite - it is looking pretty good - why dump all the leaves and refrigerators, etc. out there. COUNCILMAN Powell asked where they have been dumping the leaves and MR. SHELTON stated that the leaves have been going out there and we are currently enfring- ing on some private property now. MAYOR JUNKER AND COUNCILMAN POWELL were in controversey over what should be in- cluded in the City wide pickup and as to where it should be disposed of. COUNCILMAN POWELL stated that if the City picks up the bags and somebody has something else to pickup - there are two ways that it can be done - either the City can pick it up and put it in a box that belongs to Jimmy or they can contact Jimmy and have him pick them up and he can collect for it - that was done when Jack Junker originally had the program - it is not absolutely something new - they went around and picked up refrigerators and stoves and they got extra money for it. JIM JUNKER asked Councilman Powell if he remembered when she City picked up everything that they never finished the job and the whole City looked like a dump and that he had to come and help the City out and finish the pickup. MR. BLEKUM asked what would happen if the City did not get any bids and nobody wants to monkey with this any more - his department picks up trash by the truck- load if they do not have a place to put it they may as well leave it in the park - they put in the dump boxes behind City Hall since there is no City Dump - seventy- five percent of the leaves and branches in the City are brought down and put in the dump boxes now by individuals. The dumpsite is filled and the ravines are all filled up. MAYOR JUNKER stated that if we do dump it at the old dumpsite and it gets filled up then the City will have to load it up and haul it away - if the leaves could be separated out then someone would take them and they would have to be stored at the dump and then it is possible that he would not want them. COUNCILMAN POWELL stated that Jimmy would pickup what is in a garbage can and the City has had a leaf pickup and one again this year and he asked Jack what they are going to do with those leaves and MR. SHELTON stated that they would be hauled out to the dump. MR. BLEKUM stated that if somebody starts them on fire then they have problems with the Pollution Control Agency and the neighbors - this was suppose to be a compose and all was lost. COUNCILMAN POWELL stated that assuming that the City pickup the leaves and haul them down to the dump boxes and do it on a pay as you go basis - don't get them out to the City Dump - don't charge anybody extra money for them - if they want to put them in garbage cans they can do it - if they haul down here, they can pay $5.00 or whatever. MR. BLEKUM stated that is only one item - asked what happens to the rest of the things. COUNCILMAN POWELL - the dump boxes are there and they serve a purpose - his concern was that the cost be removed from the City and put it on the people that us it. If the City has to haul to a dump box that the City has to pay for, that would be much better than paying $40,000 per year for dump boxes. MR. BLEKUM stated that there are no thought given when the ndatory pickup went in for a place for the City crews to dispose of what they pick up the year round. COUNCILMAN POWELL stated that if they are concerned with services for the various departments then they have to be concerned with the General Fund - and this would be one way that they are concerned with it - if they advertise for bids they can include in that that the City will dump in the boxes, they would pay the regular fee and felt that the City would save money - won't know how it is going to work until it is run a trial basis - and it does not work then we can go the way that Mr. Junker has indicated - then he would say "fine ". He felt that at least they have tried a way that could save the General Fund some money. COUNCILMAN HARRY PETERSON stated that he did not want to second Bill's motion, but he wanted to tailgate on it - his suggestion was that there is a deadline of less than a week - the City is in the unfortunate position of having to make a decision that will affect the pickup as of May 1st. Have momentarily to agreeing to an $18.00 per box increase in rate - felt thatthe City is in the unfortunate for of being - athenthe dicker would suggest that have period as quickly as increase possible that the City do the advertising that Mr. Powell suggested. 1 • • • • • • • April 26, 1979 267 COUNCILMAN POWELL felt that they should confront Mr. Junker and ask him to postpone the increase until the first of June. Mr. Junker stated that he would not supply a dump box if he has to supply a man. JIM JUNICER stated that he would try it for a month or two and if he can't keep up with it, then what will the City do. COUNCILMAN POWELL did not feel that the City should be put in a spot where they say that - he felt that they should find out if somebody will do it - if Jim doesn't want to do it and want to keep the residential pickup the way it is - he felt that is fine - if he is not interested in handling the dump boxes for whatever he can get out of and pay for the collection of it and that would be up to Jim - if he did not wantto do it, the City should be able to advertise and have it done. JIM JUNKER felt they were putting him on the spot and COUNCILMAN POWELL stated that they would be putting him on the spot for one month and it will take more then four days to advertise for bids. JIM JUNKER stated that the three or four years that he has hauled it and lost money and now that he wants to make money he was no good for it. COUNCILMAN POWELL stated that it was Jim's responsibility to prove to the City that he lost money. JIM JUNKER stated it costs $33.00 to dump the boxes no matter if he owns the land- fill or not and he gets $62.00 for hauling it - it takes 1 hours to make a round trip - he makes $29.00 a load - the cost of the truck alone is $70,000 - that leaves $28.00 for the truck and the man. He stated that he had been here all week with three and four trucks COUNCILMAN POWELL stated that at $29.00 per hour for 50 hours a week is $14,500.00. MAYOR JUNKER (moved out of the Mayor's chair) stated that you can't run a $70,000 truck - you can't run a $50,000 truck nor can you run a $40,000 truck for $29.00 per hour and you can't do it for $10.00 and make money. JIM JUNKER felt that the dump boxes were good for the people and the working arrangement did sound good for him - now that he wants to break even on the deal they want to throw him out - so whatever good work he did down there, swept and everything else - he stated that he won't still break even. MAYOR JUNKER felt that what they should do- Bill made a motion and he asked for a second to the motion. There was no second and he asked for another motion to be made. (He indicated that he could not vote and that he would have to abstain ) Being the Mayor of Stillwater,being my brother or not, Jim if you don't want to haul the dump boxes the first of May for $62.00 - guess you take them out and leave them out. COUNCILMAN POWELL stated that Jim should show a profit of $75,400 for a year at $29.00 her hour and that does not include his truck - if a truck last only a year, then he is not making any money. JIM JUNKER asked about the driver, paying for the fuel and oil and he pays the driver $6.50 per hour plus time and one -half and MR. POWELL stated that figured it on 50 hours per week. He should realize $1,054.00 per week to pay his employees and run his trucks::so he has $75,400 to pay your driver for 52 weeks at 50 hours per week. JIM JUNKER cited various other factors such as truck breakdowns and the weeks that the operation is down during the winter months and when there are tire blows, the trucks are not making money for him and since it takes 11/2 hours for each box, it is only $18.00 per hour. MAYOR JUNKER asked about the cost the dump boxes to have the made JUNKER responded that they are $2, ofO and then they have to be painted and there is welding Oftew$ 36, 000twhichthebgotof romnthetCityllastnyearlthatuhetlost obscenities. ork his shirt. COUNCILMAN POWELL indicated that if he did lose his shirt, then it would be reasonable to ask for bids and bid it so that he doesn't lose money and let somebody else - so that he doesn't. JIM JUNKER asked why don't you just give me the raise so that I can at least break even - he did it and didn't make any money and try to make some money on the deal. COUNCILMAN POWELL stated that it is coming out of the General Fund and the City can't afford it out of the General Fund. • 0 • • • 1 • 6 2 8 April 26, 1979 JIM JUNKER stated that he was not saying that they would have to put the raise in effect on May 1st - in other words his loyalty and his service was only good to thrown out again. COUNCILMAN POWELL asked if Jim would be willing to collect $80.00 a box until such a time as the bids come back in that the City can have the dump boxes up for bids or have somebody that is willing to supply the dump boxes and charge a fee that th'y feel that they can make money on and not have the City involved in it - whether it is one, two or five days a week whichever the bidder wants to bid. The Council would then evaluate the proposal and say this is the best deal - asked him if he would be willing to do that - by the first of June. Advertise and have the bids returnable the second meeting in May. JIM JUNKER felt that the Council was throwing him out the door and COUNCILMAN POWELL stated that Jim did not want to collect for them and JIM replied that he did not say that - he would not want to keep on collecting for them - only for a period of time to see how it goes - what happens this winter they get only one dump box each day. What happens if they can't do it that way if the cars are backed up and it is a mess. COUNCILMAN POWELL stated that if the cars are backed up and it is a mess then somebody should ask that they bring in another box and then would get another couple hundred dollars for it. JIM JUNKER stated that he did not know if they could do that in two days. COUNCILMAN POWELL felt that Jim did not want to do it. COUNCILMAN HARRY PETERSON moved that we agree to the dump box increase to $80.00 a box for the month of May and within the next two weeks the Council, the Contractor, and the members of the Solid Waste Committee meet again to see if they can't resolve this so that as of June 1st we will have something firm either in the way of advertisement for new bids or that we have arrived at a permanent solution. COUNCILMAN POWELL felt that it was a reasonable request, but that he would like to stipulate that the meeting be held at a time when we still have time to advertise for bids if we need to - otherwise they would go another month after that. COUNCILMAN HARRY PETERSON felt that Jim was entitled to the additional amount while this is being judged out - if in the end he decides that he wants to bit it higher than that or someone else to bid under him that is another matter. COUNCILMAN POWELL stated that instead of entitled, he felt it should be stated that it should be allowed that for now since they have not determined whether or not $80.00 is what he is entitled to or not. (He seconded the motion). MAYOR JUNKER asked about the prices of dump boxes quoted from other areas. BRAD MAC DONALD stated that it was $110.00 for two years for a thirty yard box (this was from four or five different ones); container service Action Disposal, Red Arrow there is also a $15.00 dumping charge and $5.00 per day when you have the box over two years; COUNCILMAN POWELL asked if we ever have a box over two days and JIM stated they do in the winter months. MR. KRIESEL stated that he contacted Hudson, Wisconsin and Jim charges them $73.00 for a thirty yard container and this is due to the fact that this landfill is much closer. AYES- - VOTE ON THE MOTION - Councilmen Harry Peterson and Powell - Mayor Junker abstained from voting on the motion. (motion carried) 2. On motion of Councilman Powell, seconded by Councilman Harry Peterson, the Council authorized the designation for Taxi -cab Reserved Meters at two locations - one in front of the Valley Auto and the other in front of the Valley Dri- Kleenette. (all in favor) MR. SHELTON stated that Mr. Ritzer had asked that the two in front of Valley Auto be removed and he had been granted four originally - one by Schmitty's Barbershop which was remofed because of non -use and according to the Council minutes the other three still stand. 3. On motion of Councilman Powell, seconded by Councilman Harry Peterson, a resolution was introduced "CONFIRMING APPOINTMENT OF BEACH PERSONNEL AND FIXING COMPENSATION" as recommended by Jim Fackler. AYES -- Councilman H. Peterson, Powell and Mayor Junker NAYS - -None (see resolutions) r • • • • • • • • April 26, 1979 • 4. On motion of Councilman Harry Peterson, seconded by Councilman Powell, the Council approved the dates set for the Spring Pickup according to the schedule presented. (all in favor) 5. On motion of Councilman Powell, seconded by Councilman Harry Peterson, the Council granted a beer permit to the Military Order of Cooties for use in Lowell Park during Lumberjack Days as recommended by the Chamber of Commerce. (all in favor) 6. Mr. Elliott requested that the watermain extension for the new water tank be delayed until the Council hears his report. 7. On motion of Councilman Powell, seconded by Councilman Harry Peterson, a resolution was introduced "DIRECTING THE PAYMENT OF THE BILLS ". AYES -- Councilmen Harry Peterson, Powell and Mayor Junker NAYS- -None (see resolutions) INDIVIDUALS - DELEGATIONS None at this point in the meeting APPLICATIONS On motion of Councilman Harry Peterson, seconded by Councilman Powell, the following Contractor's Licenses were approved: Allied Northern Construction Corporation 9841 - 13th Ave.No., Plymouth 55441 General New Donald Durand Construction 2901 Lake Elmo Ave. N., Lake Elmo 55042 General Renewal Larson Contracting 650 Fourth St., Newpott 55055 General New Christ Madsen 16681 - 16th St. So., Lakeland 55043 Masonry & Brick Work Renewal Len Mollenhoff Roofing 751 Hiawatha, St. Paul 55110 Roofing Renewal Williams Painting 1009 Fifth Avenue South, Stillwater Painting New On motion of Councilman Powell, seconded by Councilman Harry Peterson, an Auctioner's Licenses was approved for Edward Bilbruck, Inc., 6550 N. W. Highway, Chicago, Illinois 60631. (all in favor) COMMUNICATIONS From the Town of Grant regarding recent proposals for annexation. On motion of Councilman Powell, seconded by Councilman Harry Peterson, the Council directed that this request be placed on file and referred to at a time when it becomes necessary. (all in favor) CITY CLERK'S REPORT She informed the City Council that she had r eceived a copy of the investigation of the City's Municipal Water Supply and if any members of the Council are interested it is available for their inspection. CITY COORDINATOR'S REPORT 1. MR. KRIESEL reported to ie Council that he had received a complaint from the business establishments at Fourth and Churchill about the vehicles that are awaiting repair at the Body Shop being parked on the street and using up valuable parking space for the customers. It is some of the employees also from the Body Shop that are parking there all day and the manager has talked to them. It is a commercial area and they should have the same regulations as they have downtown. MR. SHELTON stated that it was brought in as "commercial" by the Planning and Zoning and that they should have the same privileage. The only way it could be enforced would be to put meters in there. (COUNCILMAN HARRY PETERSON left at this point in the meeting) 269' • • • • 1 • APRIL 26, 1979 MR. SHELTON was directed to put up the "two hour parking" signs for six months and see how it works out. MR. SHELTON agreed to write a letter or talk to Willy and ask him to cooperate on this matter and if this does not stop, then it will be necessary to put in meters. 2. MR. KRIESEL asked the Council about the Dutch Elm Program and what he would like to propose that the City handle this like any other improvement and bond for it and handle it that way - it does not have any effect - it is not considered as bonded indebtedness and do not have an effect on the net debt - this is the pro- blem in the first place they thought as to how it would be financed and it has herfeltptheytwouldrnotchave this - actually for it every then seven thousand dollars more a year than we are currently. COUNCILMAN deficit, thhaatLwouldtbea could find a this acceptable ashefelt that theoCouncillwasuoft representing at opinion. (This will be brought up at the next meeting) He also contacted the Department of Agriculture and told them that it was his understanding that the Council wanted to get out of the program altogether and he asked what would happen there and they said that they would come down on the City with a ton of bricks since no one has done that. MR. MAGNUSON stated that he checked this out last year at the time of the budget that they would revoke every sanction that they would have and since we get grants from them and they could cut the City of Stillwater off - possibly it would mean losing the trees that they provide for us. for 3 use of for and set the contactithes the other members and set up a date for this meeting. of the 4. sewer and ELLIOTT stated ideal for Televising of Mr. Elliot when been money udgeted this year. MAYOR JUNKER suggested that we watch the water level and when it goes down a few feet - the cost is about $1,250 per mile and that is about all that we have to do. CONSULTING ENGINEER'S REPORT 1. MR. ELLIOTT reported that the City should again get a letter out to Washington and Congressmen in behalf of the Council asking that the Corps of Engineer study the City of Stillwater as a major city without permanent dike protection as Stillwater is one of the few cities in the State of Minnesota and the money has not been spent and to use some key language in the letter that the dike be a portable dike - one in which the footings are permanent and that the dike sections could be hauled Theredisutstill the view, - it the case of a heavy be a he felt critical problem. 2. MR. ELLIOTT informed the Council that there will be a meeting with the residents by the Edgewood Ditch on Thursday, May 10th with Don Patton, Jack Shelton and Duane and any members of the Council that would be interested - they will meet at the job site at 5:00 P. M. - he felt that this would be the final point on this issue - this job is two years old. 3. MR. ELLIOTT informed the Council of a meeting to be held at his office on Friday, April 30th to discuss in a preliminary way the possibility of the City developing some type of SAC (Sewer Availability Charge) and also a Water Availability Charge. There are developments that are currently going to develop in the City to the northwest - David Johnson and others that require facilities to be oversizes and when it comes to water works in the past wells have come out of city revenues and he felt that this will have to come to an end and that these costs would have to be paid by the developer or the person buying the home. The Metro Development Plan states that by the year 2000 there will be some 20,000 people on the Stillwater /Metro Sewage Plant which includes Bayport, Oak Park Heights and Stillwater and it is anticipated that it will include areas outside of that area. Those at the meeting will be Ozzie Springsted, Nile Kriesel, Dave Magnuson, Mr. Elliott and Councilwoman Bodlovick. of He Water delayed until d there is full t Council s to takehac Board action on this matter. be r L • 0 • • • 1 • • e r April 26, 1979 COMMITTEE REPORTS PUBLIC WORKS 1. Mr. Shelton asked what the policy was regarding the driving of golf balls in the City parks since they are having people doing this in the Meadowlark Park and he was informed that there are ho guidelines for same. Mr. Blekum stated that when they hurt the park, then he will take a look at it and put a stop to it. 2. Mr. Shelton inquired if the Metro Council would be requiring a contour map of the City of Stillwater. Mr. Elliott stated that he was not aware that they were requiring them. He stated that there have been a lot of requests for contour maps especially out in the Industrial Park area or the Feely property. Mr. Elliott felt that it would be of a great advantage to the City to have contour maps of the area to the west and morth that might potentially develop - Dave Johnson has them for his development. The cost of these are about $10.00 per acre - the City could keep these and then sell them when they are requested of developers and it is a good planning tool. Mr. Elliott suggested that he and Mr. Shelton might inventory the areas that should be flown and get some quotes and also areas that are contemplated for annexation. On motion of Councilman Powell, seconded by Mayor Junker, the Consulting Engineer was authorized to expend up to $300.00 on this project.(all in * 3. On motion of Councilman Powell, seconded by Councilman Roger Peterson, the favor) Public Works Director was instructed to send a letter to Steven Roettger offering him $100.00 for reimbursement on the thawing of his sewer line and also obtain from him a release for fugure responsibility for any problems with this line. (all in favor) 1 y * 4. On motion of Councilman Roger Peterson, seconded by Councilman Powell, the billing for the extra work for the location for the sewer stubin at 1936 South Fourth Street for Todd Butterfield was referred to the City Attorney to be checked out with the contractor and then the same should be turned over to the Insurance Campany and that there be a report back at the next regular meeting. (all in favor) PUBLIC SAFETY * 1. On motion of Councilman Powell, seconded by Councilman Roger Peterson, the Council authorizgg She Fire Department to proceed with the replacement of the lights on the day their department in accordance with the proposal submitted. (all in favor) PARKS & RECREATION 1. Mr. Blekum informed the Council that there are some trees in Pioneer Park that are blocking the view to the river and there are volunteers that areewilling to take them down for the wood. These are at the south end of the park - elm and locust trees. Mr. Magnuson stated that since they are not employees of the City and that the City should have a signed statement that they are not employees of the City, but he was sure if someone was hurt that they would sue the City. MAYOR JUNKER asked that this be brought up at the next meeting. 2. On motion of Councilman Powell, seconded by Mayor Junker the Council authorized the advertisement for bids for the color coding of the tennis courts in the Croixwood Seventh Addition Park. (all in favor) CITY ATTORNEY'S REPORT Mr. Magnuson informed the City Council that the Municipal Commission ordered that the City of Stillwater get the property under Annexation No. OA -117 -3 in the area of the Warehouse Market. COUNCIL REQUEST ITEMS *1. On motion of Counciimar Roger Peterson, seconded by Councilman Powell, Mr. Shelton was directed to install all of the fifteen minute parking meters that are available and to place them at any of the busy intersections in downtown Stillwater. (all in favor) (Lyle Anderson requested that one be placed by the St. Croix Drug) *2. On motion of Councilman Roger Peterson, seconded by Councilman Harry Peterson, Mr. Blekum was instructed to spend no more than $250.00 for the placement of pine trees to protect a home on Northland Avenue to protect the house from being hit from balls hit at the small ball- diamond behind said home. (all in favor) * These items were taken care at the Staff Meeting on April 24, 1979 271, • • • • '272 • ORDINANCES April 26, 1979 Second Reading - Amending Licensing of Contractors - Ordinance No. 573 - Amending the Fence Ordinance - Ordinance No. 574 RESOLUTIONS The following resolutions were read and on roll call were unanimously adopted: 1. Directing the Payment of the Bills. 2. Employing Beach Personnel Adi ournment On motion of Councilman Powell, seconded by Mayor Junker the meeting adjourned at 9:30 P. M. Attest: ad d* " "ri '�� Cit Clerk Mayor e a 1 • • s