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Home My WebLink About2010-02-16 DTPC PacketT H E BIRTHPLACE OF M I N N E S O T A DOWNTOWN PARKING COMMISSION AGENDA Tuesday, February 16, 2010 8:30 AM; Riverview Room, City Hall 1. CALL TO ORDER 2. APPROVAL OF JANUARY 14, 2010 MINUTES 3. NEW BUSINESS 3.01. ST. CROIX BOAT & PACKET Discussion about parking needs and availability related to the St. Croix Boat & Packet Special Use Permit and Dock Permit. Referred to DTPC by City Council. 3.02. LOFTS OF STILLWATER Request by the Lofts of Stillwater to remove the on -street parking space closest to the underground parking entrance. 3.03. WATER STREET INN LOADING ZONE Discussion about converting a spot or two by main entrance of the Water Street Inn into a loading zone. 3.05. 15 MINUTE PARKING AROUND MAIN AND MYRTLE Discussion about location of 15 minute parking spaces in the vicinity of Myrtle and Main. 4. OLD BUSINESS 4.01. PARKING RAMP SIGNAGE Discussion about building signage and wayfinding signage for municipal parking ramp. Property located at 200 North 2nd Street. 5. OTHER BUSINESS 5.01 Confirm next Commission meeting date. 6. ADJOURN present: submitted by: Stillwater Downtown Parking Commission Meeting Minutes January 14, 2010 aCurt Newcomb, chair/resident; Weft' Johnson, vice-chair/resident; IIJohn Gannaway, police chief; Lf Dave Junker, resident; Cf David Korte, resident; LfDennis Pasket, parking enforcement officer; aBill Turnblad, community development director; ❑Kevin LaCasse,business David Korte agenda discussion action Brines parking space request John presented a request from Brine's Bar & Restaurant to reserve some parking spaces to conduct their "Brines Frozen Bocce Ball Tournament" on February 20, 2010. Considering the event would be held during the "off season" and pending the development of the commission's policy on the private use of public spaces it was thought they should be allowed to use the spaces with no charge. A motion was made and seconded to allow them to use the requested spaces at no cost. The motion passed in a unanimous voice vote. Bill will notify Brines of the commission's recommendation. Parking ramp entrance sign Bill stated the city had received bids (around $4500) for the "projecting" parking ramp sign, which is less than the $8,000 that had been estimated and approved at the November 18, 2009 meeting. The Heritage Preservation Commission (HPC) was not in favor of the 24-square-foot sign favored by the parking commission. The HPC wanted a sign no bigger then 6- square-feet. After more discussion, the parking commission still thought it was important the sign be 24-square-feet as anything smaller would be out of proportion to the size of the ramp and would be harder to see for those trying to find the ramp. A motion was made and seconded to bring the parking commissions request for a 24- square-foot sign to the city council. The motion passed in a unanimous voice vote. Bill will bring the recommendation for a 24-square-foot sign to the city council. Update on request for a 24/7 parking ramp reserved spot Bill gave an update on the request from an apartment renter for a 24-hour, 7-day a week parking ramp -reserved spot. The parking commission had recommended that this not be approved and the city council affirmed that recommendation. Parking ramp cleaning contract Bill presented information on the two bids received for cleaning the new ramps restroom, lobby and stairways. Bids were received from A-1 Maintenance and St. Croix Boat and Packet Company. The commission discussed two bids and recommended St.Croix Boat and Packet Company be awarded the bid. Bill will present the recommendation to accept the bid from St. Croix Boat and Packet Company to the city council for final approval. Placement of two reserve contract spaces. Bill stated that due to a mistake by city staff and pressure from several people requesting reserve parking spots, 2 of the 24 reserve parking spots were placed on a different level of the ramp from the other 22. Bill suggested several solutions to the Bill will contact the two people who incorrectly received reserve spaces and inform them of the agenda discussion action commission. Discussion surrounded the absolute need for all the spaces to be together in order to address concerns with enforcement and signage. The commission recommends Bill inform the two persons that they will be allowed to stay in the oddly placed spots until their passes expire. Then at that time their passes expire if they wish to renew they will be moved into the area with the rest of the reserved spaces. commission's decision. Development of a policy for the private use of public parking spaces. Bill presented a memorandum to the commissioners to assist with developing a policy on private use of public parking spaces. Detailed discussion took place on each section of the memorandum. 1. Should private use of public spaces be allowed? 2. If allowed, should a fee be charged? 3. If a fee is charged, should all individuals or groups be charged a fee? Or should some non-profit groups be granted an exception? Bill will prepare a written summary of this discussion, which the commission will then use to develop a policy at the February meeting. Commission meeting dates It was decided these meetings will be held on the third Thursday of the month at 830 A.M. Parking Commission chair and vice chair A motion was made and seconded to have Curt Newcomb serve as the commissions' chair. Curt graciously accepted the nomination. The motion passed in a unanimous voice vote. A motion was made and seconded to have Jeff Johnson serve as the commissions' vice chair. Jeff graciously accepted the nomination. The motion passed in a unanimous voice vote. Next meeting: change of date The next meeting will be Tuesday February 16, 8:30 a.m. at City Hall. (The meeting could not be held the 3rd Thursday due to members' schedules.) page 2 Planning Commission DATE: February 15, 2010 RE: Review of Parking; St. Croix Boat & Packet Special Use Permit MEETING DATE: February 16, 2010 FROM: Bill Turnblad BACKGROUND St. Croix Boat & Packet operates under a Special Use Permit that was amended in 2000. A condition of the Special Use Permit is that a dock permit must be issued annually by the city to the cruise boat company. Of importance here is that the city has jurisdiction over the cruise company's use of the land (everything above the water level of the St. Croix River) and the US Corps of Engineers and Department of Natural Resources have jurisdiction over the St. Croix River itself. Consequently, the dock permits issued by the Corps and DNR control dock usage and surface water usage. The city's Special Use Permit controls support usage on the abutting land. The City's dock permit is more of a review instrument than a controlling instrument. Its purpose is to give the city an annual look at the company's land use impact. SPECIFIC REQUEST At its annual dock permit review on the first of February, the City Council tabled action and requested the Downtown Parking Commission to review the parking associated with the Special Use Permit. COMMENTS • The number of public parking spots in Downtown Parking Districts 1 & 2 (everything south of Chestnut) have increased from 648 to 860 between the years 2000 and 2006.1 • The passenger capacity2 of the fleet of cruise boats has dropped since 2000 from 1,590 to 1,475. • The passenger count3 between 2002 (the first year the City required passenger counts) and 2009 dropped from 94,377 to 72,287. 1 More current data is not available, since no parking inventories have been completed since 2006. 2 The total of the maximum number of passengers allowed by the US Corps of Engineers on each boat. 3 The total of the actual number of passengers during the entire boating season. St. Croix Boat & Packet Page 2 • The peak passenger year was 2003, with 107,074. This was 34,787 more passengers than last year. ALTERNATIVES The Parking Commission has the following options: 1. Return the "dock permit" to the City Council with a finding that the St. Croix Boat & Packet's parking demand has not placed an increased burden on the downtown parking system. 2. Return the "dock permit" to the City Council with a finding that the St. Croix Boat & Packet's parking demand has placed an unacceptably large burden upon the downtown parking system. STAFF RECOMMENDATION Staff believes that the availability of parking spaces in the downtown parking districts is improving. The increased parking together with decreased capacities and passenger counts over the last few years leads staff to recommend Alternative 1. attachments: Applicant's Form and packet St. Croix Boat and Packet Co - Total boat passenger capacity over time # of passenger 2010 2009 2007 2006 2OO$ 2004 2003 2001 2000 °' 1998 1997 w .996 1995 1994 Month Permit Issued 11/08 M 5/07 4/05 5/04 5/03 12/00 7/00 5/98 3/97 4J96, 3/95 4/94 Avalon 675 675 675 675 675 ° 675 675 7 675 675=a, Empress Andiamo 325* 325 325 325 500 _ +`s;' 500 500 500 500 Andiamo Showboat 150 150 150 150 150 150 150 < 150 15015 150 150 150 150 Jubilee 150 150 150 150 150 150 Jubilee II 200 200 200 wz Anastasia 75 75 75 75: Andiamo 115 115 115 '1a5 115 115 115 115 115 115 � 115 115 Majestic Lady 150 a ,x 150 150 150' 150 150 Empress 250 250 250 Maestic Star 250 250 } TOTAL I 11475 1425 1? b, 1540 1590 ( 590 1590 1590 1590 1590 665 665 415 415 *Empress Andiamo changed from 500 to 325 in 2007 due to USCG regs. St. Croix Boat and Packet Co Annual passenger counts Year 2009 2008 2006 2005 2003 2002 Total # of Passengers 72,287 83,149 96,762 105,000 107,074 94,377 *2002 was the first year the City tracked this information I� W THE BIRTHPLACE OF MINNESOTA TO: Downtown Parking Commission FROM: Bill Turnblad, Community Development Director DATE: February 12, 2010 RE: Lofts' Request REQUEST Atlas Management Group, on behalf of the Lofts of Stillwater HOA, is requesting the removal of one on -street parking space just to the south of their underground parking exit. COMMENTS Currently the equivalent of one on -street parking space immediately south of the Lofts' exit is posted as a "no parking" area. This can be seen in the attachments. However, some of the owners believe that this is still not enough to keep views to the south open and safe when exiting. Therefore, the Home Owner's Association would like one more space designated as a "no parking" area. ACTION Consider the request and decide whether to eliminate one more on -street parking space. bt attachments: Air photo Photos Lofts of Stillwater February 12, 2010 Page 2 Lofts of Stillwater February 12, 2010 Page 3 1water THE BIRTHPLACE OF MIINNESOTA TO: Downtown Parking Commission FROM: Bill Turnblad, Community Development Director DATE: February 12, 2010 RE: Passenger Loading Area for Water Street Inn REQUEST On behalf of the Water Street Inn, Chair Newcomb is requesting that the Parking Commission consider marking a spot or two in front of the main entrance to the Inn for guest loading and unloading. COMMENTS An air photo is attached for discussion purposes. ACTION Consider the request and decide whether to grant it. bt attachments: Air photo Water Street Inn February 12, 2010 Page 2 ate THE BIRTHPLACE OF MINNESOTA TO: Downtown Parking Commission FROM: Bill Turnblad, Community Development Director DATE: February 12, 2010 RE: 15 Minute Parking @ Chestnut and Main REQUEST Chair Newcomb is requesting that the Parking Commission consider eliminating the 15 minute parking spaces around the intersection of Chestnut and Main. COMMENTS The distribution of 15 and 30 minute parking spaces downtown has been the topic of numerous discussions over the past few years. But there are new Parking Commission members now. So, it would be beneficial to talk through the rationale for the location of the existing quick turnover parking spaces in the downtown. A map showing that distribution is attached. ACTION Consider the request and decide whether to grant it. bt attachments: 15 & 30 Minute Parking Distribution Map CommunIty_Develo ment De artment 15 & 30 Minute On -street parking spaces 15 minute space 30 minute space ater THE BIRTHPLACE OF MINNESOTA TO: Downtown Parking Commission FROM: Bill Turnblad, Community Development Director DATE: February 12, 2010 RE: Parking Ramp Signage REQUEST Discuss the building and "wayfinding" signage for the parking ramp. COMMENTS The City Planner is finishing the report and will have it available at the commission meeting on Tuesday. bt Memo Community Development Department To: P r1 ing Commit sion From: Michel Pogge, City Planner Me Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 Re: • Signa.ge for Downtown Parking Message: With the new parking ramp, city staff has taken time to review the overall signage related to downtown parking. The following are items the Commission may want to consider changing_ related to the current level of sign for downtown parking. Parking Ramp Signage The proposed projecting parking ramp sign has been reviewed by the HPC, see attached. The HPC recommends that the projecting sign remain at six square feet and simply be the a circular parking "P" logo sign with wall signage that says Public Parking with the City of Stillwater Logo attached about the entrance along second street. The Parking Commission should discuss this issue and direct staff on how to proceed. The Parking Commission's options are: 1. Proceed with the current design and possibly appeal a denial by the HPC to the City Council. 2. Redesign the parking ramp signage package as suggested by the HPC. Parking Lot Identification Signs Consider adding Parking Lot Identification Signs to: • Third Street sign of the Parking Ramp • Lot at the corner of N Second Street and E Mulberry Street The City currently has one spare pole. Additional poles will run approximately $1500 to $2000 to have fabricated. Signs for the poles will run approximately $300 per pole. From the desk of... Michel Pogge, AICP • City Planner • City of Stillwater • 216 N. 4t1' Street • Stillwater, MN 55082 651.430-8822 • Fax: 651.430-8810 • email: mpogge@ci.stillwater.mn.us Parking Lot Way -finding Signs Update the Parking Lot Way -finding Signs. Will replace the existing 13 way -finding signs (see attached) with new signs as designed by Lake Design Group, Inc. The existing signs were installed approximately ten years ago and have not been updated to reflect changes to downtown parking, for no signs point to Lot 13 across from Teddy Bear Park. Each' set of parking lot way - finding signs will run $52.30 plus any required brackets or poles. Staff recommends removing the existing sign and replacing them with 14 new sets of parking lot way -finding signs. Thank you, Mike From the desk of... Michel Pogge, AICP • City Planner • City of Stillwater • 216 N. 4th Street • Stillwater, MN 55082 651.430-8822 • Fax: 651.430-8810 • email: mpogge@ci.stillwater.mn.us NON -ILLUMINATED DOUBLE SIDED BLADE SIGN ATTACHED TO WALL PAINTED FLAT CUT OUT ALUMINUM LETTERS WITH ALUMINUM SUPPORT BACKERS SUPPORT STRUCTURES FOR MOUNTING SIGN TO WALL IS MADE FROM 4" X 4" SQUARE TUBES THAT SLIP ONTO EXISTING MOUNTS EXISTING MOUNTS ARE 3" X 3" SQUARE TUBES EXTENDING 1'-0" FROM WALL MOUNT EXTENSIONS ARE SPACED 3'-0" APART ON CENTER IN WALL PAGE 1 9 co 4 1/2 " FLAT CUT OUT PAINTED RED ALUMINUM LETTERS MOUNTED ONTO SOLID WHITE ALUMINUM BACKER 3'-2 3/4" 1'-0 " + 1/2 " FLAT CUT OUT PAINTED GOLD ALUMINUM LETTERS MOUNTED ONTO ALUMINUM BACKER WELDED STEEL BRACKET SYSTEM 0'-4 PAINTED ALUMINUM SIGN STRUCTURE 0'-6" '/2 " FLAT CUT OUT PAINTED WHITE ALUMINUM LETTER MOUNTED ONTO ALUMINUM BACKER OPTION 2 ZEI STILLWATER PARKING RAMP BLADE SIGN CITY OF STILLWATER, MN STILLWATER, MN BOB SHERLOCK JEFF WEISPFENNING 12-14-09 12-15-09 12-16-09 1-4-10 Orias 1" = 1' i CUSTOMER ILANDLORD APPROVAL: sigma Sign Art Co. Eau Claire, WI St. Paul, MN PH 651-688-0563 FX 651-688-2081 THIS DRAWING WAS CREATED TO ASSIST YOU IN VISUAIJaNG OUR PROPOSAL. THIS DRAWING 15 PROPERTY OF SIGN ART COMPANY AND MAY NOT BEREPRODUCED SMOTHERS. NON -ILLUMINATED DOUBLE SIDED BLADE SIGN ATTACHED TO WALL PAINTED FLAT CUT OUT ALUMINUM LETTERS WITH ALUMINUM SUPPORT BACKERS Sign Location PAGE 2 4 Iftl liiiiiit i la 01 ~�lillig� CAI 1111101: 111111111:161111 III 1�: I I I; I *4' - III UMW film r�somme 0'-4 " 0I-6 CEM STILLWATER PARKING RAMP BLADE SIGN CITY OF STILLWATER, MN STILLWATER, MN BOB SHERLOCK kaiak JEFF WEISPFENNING 12-14-09 12-15-09 1-4-10 01.1. 1" = 1' CUSTOMER/LANDLORD APPROVAL: signarrt Sign Art Co. Eau Claire, WI St. Paul, MN PH 651-688-0563 FX 651-688-2081 THIS DRAWING WAS CREATED TOASSIST YOU IN VISUALIZING OUR PROPOSAL. THIS DRAWING IS PROPERTY OF SIGN ART COMPANY AND MAY NOT BE REPRODUCED BY OTHERS. maw w These signs are to be used to direct motorists to nearby parking lots. Graphics are white reflective Scotchlite by 3M on painted 1 / 8" aluminum sheet. The signs are mounted to aluminum channels which are strapped to the street light poles. Signs should be located prior to turning movements for lot access and should not interfere with any DOT traffic directional signs. Signs should be mounted at a consistent 14 feet above sidewalks or grade. Type 1 - 21" dia. Type la 1b 1c ld 1e O 0 10"x12" Existing trailblazer are not as visible as needed for moving traffic and variable lighting conditions. Below is the new sign type applied to the same location. esota 651 653 3839 4/8/2004 Prepared by Lane City of Stillwater, Minnesota PARKING LOT SIGN STUDY COMMISSION REVIEW G1 Parking Way Finding Signs Existing Created by: Stillwater Community Development -- Planning Division (2/12/2010) Parking Way Finding Signs Proposed Created by: Stillwater Community Development -- Planning Division (2/12/2010)