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Heritage Preservation Commission
Nov ember 5 , 2 0 07
Present: Jeff Johnson, Chairperson, Phil Eastwood, Robert Gag, Gayle Hudak, Larry Nelson,
Roger Tomten
Staff present: Planner Mike Pogge
Absent: Howard Lieberman and Scott Zahren
Vice Chair Johnson called the meeting to order at 7 p.m.
Approval of minutes : Mr. Tomten, seconded by Mr. Eastwood, moved approval of the minutes of
Oct. 1, 2007. Motion passed unanimously.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
Case No. DEM/07 - 50 Demolition request for a single - f amily residence at 1509 W. Pine St.
Robert Stanlislaw, applicant.
The applicant was present. He stated he purchased the house in 1997 with the intention of
remodeling, and has done a number of projects during the past years. However, he stated the
main pa rt of the foundation is crumbling badly. He reviewed the information included in his
permit application. Mr. Johnson asked whether there were any outbuildings or trees that would
have to be removed. The applicant stated there are no outbuildings, and no tr ees will be
removed in the demolition, but there might be a need to remove one tree in order to meet
setbacks to construct a replacement structure. Mr. Johnson asked about the reason for
demolition. In addition to the state of the foundation, Mr. Stanislaw noted that replacement of
windows was a challenge as the studs are of no structural value, nothing is square or level. Mr.
Johnson pointed out that fiberboard siding was put on the structure, and on the garage addition,
dormers and other shapes not compli mentary to the shape and massing of the main structure
have been added on over the years. Mr. Johnson asked about the alternative to demolition. Mr.
Stanislaw explained that the windows need to be replaced, which would require the removal of
all the plaste r and lathe, and the structure reinsulated. The siding on the outside also would
have to be removed, the applicant stated, and the entire structure lifted and new basement
constructed. Mr. Stanislaw said that because there have been so many additions to th e
structure, the original beams in the basement might make it impossible to lift the structure. Mr.
Johnson asked how long the structure had been advertised for sale; Mr. Stanislaw responded
that it has been adver tised for a little over a month
Mr. Johns on clarified that the intent would be to for the applicant to construct a new single -
family structure for his family and continue to stay on the property. Mr. Stanislaw said he
thought what they are proposing to build will fit very nicely with the neighbor hood. Mr. Johnson
noted that this property is outside of the area subject to the City’s infill design guidelines, and
there is a mix of architectural styles in the neighborhood. Mr. Johnson pointed out that the City
does recommend that an historian look at a property to determine historical significance. Mr.
Stanislaw said he did speak with historian Don Empson who stated that the property is outside
of any of the City’s historic districts and he did not see any issues related to historical
significance, bu t that couldn’t be definitively determined unless a complete history is
researched. Mr. Johnson pointed out that a contractor who does renovation work had looked at
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Heritage Preservation Commission
Nov ember 5, 2 0 07
the structure and p rovided an estimate for the cost of renovation/restoration as required by the
ordinance.
Mr. Johnson op ened the public hearing. Barry LaGrave , 1517 W. Pine, a neighboring property
owner, stated he and his wife are in favor of the request and plans for the replacement
structure. Mr. La Grave said he had spoke with two neighbors who were unable to attend the
HPC meeting who indicated support the plans. Mr. Johnson noted the HPC could not consider
comments from those folks not in attendance.
No other comments were received, and the hearing was closed. Mr. Eastwood spoke of the
completeness of the application and said he thought it was a reasonable request given the
nature of the property and neighborhood. Mr. Eastwood also said he didn’t think moving the
struc ture to a different location is a viable option given the condition of the structure. Mr.
Johnson also spoke of the many modifications which have altered the character and features of
the original house.
Mr. Eastwood moved to approve the demolition permit . Mr. Nelson seconded the motion; motion
passed unanimously.
NEW BUSINESS
Mr. Pogge noted the annual report to SHPO was included in the agenda packet. He pointed out
that the HPC considered two more cases than the previous year, and it was a big year for
demolition requ ests, with 12 requests received, of which 11 were approved – 10 for outbuildings
and 1 for a single - family home. He noted the report includes the annual HPC awards and work
items. Mr. Johnson asked about the total number of cases; Mr. Pogge stated there were 51 total
cases, including design reviews and the demolition cases. It was noted there were only two
denials.
Mr. Pogge stated, with the Commission’s blessing, staff would like to begin doing some long -
term planning with the Commission -- rather than look at things from a case - by - case view, look
at the long - range effects. He said next month’s topic will be the housing crunch and
foreclosures. Property maintenance codes and good infill designs for downtown are other
potential topics, he sai d. After general discussion about issues such as “demolition by neglect”
and related code issues, Mr. Pogge said, unfortunately, the City doesn’t have the funding to
institute a maintenance code enforcement program. Mr. Eastwood suggested that if the City
does get to the point of a maintenance code, it should not use point - of - sale as an enforcement
mechanism. Ms. Hudak suggested the City might not have such maintenance issues if it were
able to put together a grant program to assist homeowners. Mr. Tomten n oted that Mr. Empson
had done considerable research into the issue of tear - downs and demolition by neglect. Mr.
Pogge gave some information about MLS listings for Stillwater.
Mr. Johnson asked for an update on responses to the e - mail regarding what Commis sion
members would like to see included in the Heirloom Home website. Mr. Pogge stated Mr.
Johnson was the only member who had responded to date. Mr. Pogge said most of the items
suggested by Commissioners during the previous discussion will be included, other than
information on grants and funding.
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Mr. Johnson noted it is time to reapply for members whose terms are expiring Dec. 31.
Mr. Pogge informed Commissioners that within the pas t day, a barn on the North Hill, North Fifth
and Hazel, was demolished down to and including the foundation work. He said the City likely
will be seeking misdemeanor charges. Mr. Pogge said the demolition was done by a contractor
who had been advised he ne eded to obtain a demolition permit. Mr. Pogge said the afternoon of
the meeting, a garage on Martha Street was partially demolished before the City was able to
stop the work .
Mr. Pogge noted the December meeting will be held on the first Tuesday of the mo nth due to
the City’s Truth in Taxation hearing. He also reminded members of the joint meeting with the
Council and other commissions regarding the Comprehensive Plan.
Mr. Tomten stated that before Ms. Fitzgerald left, she had been working on an outdoor l ighting
ordinance and asked that that item be kept active. There was discussion of the lighting at
Washington Square.
Mr. Eastwood, seconded by Mr. Nelson, moved to adjourn at 8 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Sharon Baker
Recording Secretary
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