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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1997-04-28 PRC Packet . .\ . i lw(lt~r d -- - .:::::: l~ THE BIRTHPLACE OF MINNESOTA STILLWATER PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD MEETING NOTICE APRIL 28, 1997 The Stillwater Parks and Recreation Board will meet April 28. 1997 at 7:00 p.m. at the Parks Department Headquarters, 1372 S. Greeley Street, Stillwater, MN. AGENDA: 1. pproval of February 24, 1997 and March 19, 1997 minutes. 2. iscussion of possible purchase of property adjacent to Meadowlark Park. 'im and Signe Cowen - owners) 3. lllctional update from Parks Director Tim Thomsen. 4. pdate of operation of Lily Lake Ice Arena. 5. pdate on Long Lake Surface Use. 6. pdate on sports complex. 7. pdate on availability of tax forfeiture lots in Oak Glen. 8. ew Business. 9. ld Business. 10 djournment. CITY HALL: 216 NORTH FOURTH STILLWATER, MINNESOTA 55082 PHONE: 612-439-6121 . Update on Lonll Lake Surface use According to Steve Russell a joint meeting will be held by the Planning and Park/Rec Commissions on May 12, 1997 (7:00 p.m.) at the Stillwater Public Library. A report and recommendation will be available at the joint meeting. 5 4 ,eration of Lily Lake Ice Arena by SCVHA. I have met with Dick Anderson and the staff that has been operating Lily Lake Ice Arena for the past three years to obtain information on the operations of the arena from their perspective. However, I have not yet met with members ofthe St. Croix Valley Hockey Association. The Association is still in the process of gathering information and developing an operational plan. A report should be available at the next meeting. Functional update from Parks See attached report. . 3 Director. Possible purchase of land adjacent t .eadowlark Park. Tim and Signe Cowen will be at the meeting Monday to further discuss the City's interest in purchasing Lot 9 and possibly part of Lot 10, which are adjacent to Meadowlark Park. The City and the Commission have previously discussed the possibility of purchasing the lots. It now appears that the opportunity is available to actually purchase the land. The Cowens would like to know what the City intends to do as they need to decide on whether or not they are going to connect sewer and water (from the Interlachen III development) to lot 9. (Also see memo from Steve Russell). 2 A inutes. The minutes from the meeting of February 24, 1997 are included in the packet for your approval along with the minutes of the meeting of March 24, 1997 (the minutes of the February 24th meeting were not available for the past meeting). 1 Agenda item #- DA: April Items for discussion for of 4/28/97 24, 1997 RE meeting FR: City Coordinator . TO Park and Recreation Commission MEMORANDUM . 10 9 Adiournment. New business. Approval of application to sell David Rochlin applicant New BusiaeB A glow necklaces in City park on July 4th, 1997 . 8 U ate on availabili of tax forfeiture lots located in Oak Glen. At a previous meeting staff informed the Commission that certain lots in Oak Glen may be available for possible acquisition by the City for use as parks and/or open space (and possibly for drainage purposes as well). The lots are presently tax forfeit. However, there is a redemption period available to the owner and the redemption period runs to August, 1997. Therefore, the lots are not available at this time. However, staff will present this to the City Council at the appropriate time for possible acquisition (it is my understanding that the Commission desires the acquisition of at least three of the lots - the lots that are adjacent to Stonebridge Trail and Johnson Drive). 7 The City's fund raiser for the complex, Bob Ballantine (Compass Development, Inc.), has indicated to me that he is making some very good progress and although it is too early to know how successful our fund raising efforts will be, he is confident that the City can raise the funds if the "right project" is constructed. . 6 Update on new s ,lex. City staff continue to work with the Minnesota National Guard and the Architect for the sports complex to come up with a layout for the new facilities. I have attached a schedule that indicates the present time table for certain events related to the complex. One of the key components to the complex is the Community Training facility (Armory). Staffwill be having a workshop with the City Council next Tuesday (4:00 p.m., April 29th) to discuss the status of the Training Facility. You will be updated on the results of the workshop at the next meeting. . ! There was a general discussion of Mr. Thomsen's letters of March 24, 1997, to the Board regarding the ice arena issue March 7 and Mr. Pearson expressed the SCVHA's appreciation who have been so cooperative and helpful this season Mr. Junker moved, seconded by Mr. Liehr, to direct the proposal to Mr. Kriesel, who will continue discussions with SCVHA and bring a recommendation to the Park and Recreation Board at the April meeting Motion passed. to the arena employees . SCVHA [ al t ase Lil Tom McGlinch and Troy Pearson, representing the St. Croix Valley Hockey Association, gave a representation regarding the association's request to lease Lily Lake Ice Arena from the city of Stillwater. A similar presentation was made to the City Council on March 18, 1997. Discussion and dialogue followed regarding the pros and cons of the proposal, including: management, capital improvements, operating expenses, new arena construction, present and future ice needs. Mr. Kriesel listed some of the concerns the city needs to consider management public ice team, high school team use A The minutes of Feb. 24 1 997. were not available Mr. Junker called the meeting to order at 7:05 p.m. Absent: Del Peterson Tim Thomsen, Parks Director; City Coordinator Nile Kriese Tom McGlinch and Troy Pearson, St. Croix Valley Hockey Association (SCVHA) Others David Junker, chairperson Linda Amrein, Nancy Brown, Rich Cummings Rob McGarry, Ken Meister, Leah Peterson, Mike Polehna and Steve Wolff AI Liehr, . Present: PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD March 24, 1997 . Submitted by Linda Amrein The meeting was adjourned at 9:05 p.m. None N Lon Lak Mr. Junker has spoken to the Planning Commission chairperson. A joint meeting between the Park and Planning boards is tentatively planned for April. Mr. Junker will confirm the date to the Board There was a brief discussion regarding the process None . Also discussed were other for future park use properties that Mr. Junker moved, seconded by Mr. Liehr, to recommend to the City Counc that it acquire Oak Glen parcels 1901, 1825, 1835 through tax forfeiture for possible future park planning. Motion passed. may be ava able for purchase New y.. Mr. Thomsen reported on several properties that may be available to the city by tax forfeiture. Members discussed possible uses of the lots should the city acquire them. Total acreage is about 1 1/4 acres. ff tan Mr. Kriesel reported at as a result of a meeting between Planning Department and Park Board members (Mr. Junker Peterson), he will attend board meetings to serve as liaison. There was a discussion of the board's needs and concerns regarding staff assistance and coordination. Discussion diverted to the future use of the Aiple property, with regards to paring needs. the city and Mr. . Mr. Thomsen March 27 attend announced there would be a meeting at City Ha regarding Meadowlark Park. Board members were at 7 p.m. nvited to . The City has prepared a drainage improvement plan for the park and held a meeting with the neighbors to go over the improvements (March 27, 1997). The drainage improvements are scheduled for completion this summer. Follow up meetings will be held with the neighborhood over the summer to come up with the park activities that will be accommodated by the park (ie. picnic, play equipment, sport field, basketball court, etc.). It may take more than one year to make the improvements to the park dependent on the neighborhood desires and final improvement plan. The park dedication fees can be used to make capital park improvements, purchase land, improve drainage and otherwise improve this park. Around $50,000 is available from dedication fee payments. . Last year when the Interlachen III subdivision was approved the Parks Board reviewed the park dedication requirements for that project and recommended to Council the payment of the development Park Dedication Fees. Meadowlark Park is the neighborhood park in the "Fairmeadow" area of town and the idea was to improve the condition of the park and to purchase adjacent land to provide better access for the Interlachen III Development area. BACKGROUND: SUBJECT: Meadowlark Park Improvements Update DATE: April 24, 1997 FROM TO Steve Russell, Nile Kriesel, Community Development Director City Coordinator . MEMORANDUM CITY OF STILLWATER . Recommendation Staff will return to Council park and a park improvement plan. Interlachen III & IV. No action FYI only. with a recommendation in regard to a contract for grading for the This cost can be paid for by the park dedication fee from e It is anticipated that grading/drainage improvements will improvements later in the summer. begin in June Park and Planning staff will meet with the neighbors and Park Board members on developing a redesign plan for use of Meadowlark Park. 1997 and parking On March 27, 1997, a meeting was held with neighbors, Jim Peterson, Trailhead Development, and Tim Thomsen, Parks Director, regarding drainage improvements to Meadowlark Park. SEH proposed a grading/drainage plan that was discussed. Neighborhood concerns expressed were preservation of large Oak trees, conditions of existing drain pipes and construction access to site. Tim Thomsen, Parks Director, was present to go over a menu of possible park improvements once the park is regraded. RE MEETING ON DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS TO MEADOWLARK PARK DA: April 9 1997 n/ \ FR: Steve Russell, Community Development Director TO Mayor and City Council . (,-\ ::C , MEMORANDUM r ...... ~ AUI Ul tlL ttL Ul ex: to- SOL LOL UJ Z tOL Lt9 ii: - 919 !019 - - at: - - tz:t €€V U1 slstlt>06t oct Lit ttt tl1 IS: \ ~ , , SPl~!d ~a: Jf 0569 NN t;; ~ l.A l.:l . Mr. Junker referred to other parks-related issues that will need to be addressed in the not-too-distant future -- the Aiple property, planning for the annexation area. What the Park Board is asking is for help to allow the Board to address the major issues that will be coming up, he said Mr. Peterson noted that Mr. Thomsen does an excellent job in the day-to- day operation of the department. He suggested what the Park Board is missing is direction and guidance and being kept informed of issues that should be central to the role of the Park Board -- issues such as land dedication vs. fees in new developments, ways to utilize city-owned land around Long Lake, for example. Mr. Liehr said what's missing is the kind of perspective Planner Sue Fitzgerald provided for the Board which is why the Board has asked that she be in attendance at meetings. e Di ion f Park B Mr. Kriesel and Mr. s were present for the discussion. Mr. Kriesel asked members what type of assistance the Board needs from the City and what is missing in the current arrangement. I j Ms. Amrein asked for a clarification of the identify of Mr. McKnight referred to in the Old Business section of the minutes of Jan. 27. Jim McKnight is the head of the Stillwater Water Department. Mr. Liehr, seconded by Mr. Peterson, moved approval of the minutes of Jan. 27 1997, as amended; all in favor. Mr. Junker called the meeting to order at 7 1 o p.m. Absent: Others Ken Meister and Steve Wolff Tim Thomsen, Parks Director; City Engineer Klayton Eckles City Coordinator Nile Kriese David Junker, chairperson Linda Amrein (8:40), Nancy Brown, Rich Cummings, AI Liehr, Rob McGarry, Del _Peterson, Leah Peterson and Mike Polehna (8:40) . Present: PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD Feb. 24, 1997 . Mr. Junker opened the discussion by saying the intent was not to formalize a position, rather it was to come to some type of consensus as a board before meeting with the Planning Commission. He also noted that there are major concerns regarding water runoff/water quality that are beyond the ! Mr. Junker thanked members for their attendance at the hearing. Since the hearing, additional correspondence was received from Jon Engelking and Bob and Janet Meisterling; the Meisterlings spoke in favor of allowing small motors for pontoons, etc. Mr. Cummings, seconded by Mr. Liehr, moved to direct city staff to make a recommendation to the City Council that Ms. Fitzgerald be assigned to work with the Park Board and that function be included in the position's job description. Motion passed unanimously. Mr. Peterson asked that the Park Board be notified of the Council's action on the request. . After a lengthy discussion, it was agreed that Mr. Kriesel and Mr. Eckles would talk with Steve Russell, Community Development Director/Planning Department head, about assigning Ms Fitzgerald to work with the Park Board. Mr. McGarry said the real need is for more communication and being kept informed and involved in planning issues that impact parks Mr. Peterson said the Board is not asking for another person, but suggested that perhaps working with the Park Board should be included in the planner's job description. Mr. Cummings suggested the position could be structured so that SO percent of Ms. Fitzgerald's time could be devoted to parks issues. Mr. Eckles said SO percent would be "pushing it" regarding the need for another planning person. Mr. Eckles noted that attending Park Board staff needs. f Ms. Fitzgerald is going to be doing more than just meetings, it could impact the Planning Department Mr. Cummings suggested that the missing ingredient is that of planning/administration. He said he could envision Ms Fitzgerald as that person. ' parks being . Mr. Polehna said the City and Park Board should and taking a proactive approach to long-term like the city of Woodbury has done. be putting plans together park and recreation issues, . There was a discussion about allowing docks. Mr. Liehr said he favored not allowing docks as they affect the aesthetics of the lake. Mr. Cummings said if the desire is to preserve the wooded shoreline, docks shouldn't be allowed as property owners probably would cut trees to the lakeshore. Ms Brown said her concern was with the number of docks. Regarding hours of use, the consensus to bring discussions was sunrise to sunset. consensus was safety, erosion, to Planning Commission Mr Junker said allowing 10 hp motors or less could ultimately be a recommendation for not allowing motors at all or allowing only electric motors. He said 1 0 or less is a good starting point for discussions with the Planning Commission. He reiterated that members were not being asked to make a final decision on a recommended use at this time. The to allow motors of 10 hp or less, citing concerns regarding noise, etc. . Mr. McGarry noted the problem with allowing motors on Lily Lake is the public access at the lake; there is no public launching area on Long Lake. Mr. Thomsen noted there was a big commotion" when the city moved to disallow the use of gas-powered motors from Lily Lake, but he said people learned to live with that regulation. Mr. Thomsen suggested the Board might want to consider having regulations consistent on all lakes in the city. Mr. Polehna agreed it to enforce speed limits would be easier to regulate the size of motors than Ms. Peterson noted that according to state statute there restriction for persons operating a motor of 25 hp or less; she annexation will put more population pressure on the lake. Mr. responded that safety is an issue on any lake is no age also noted Peterson Mr. Junker suggested a hp or less. A 1 0 hp favored allowing starting point of allowing the use of motors motor is sufficient for pontoons. which most of 10 members . scope of the Park Board and should not be considered n making a recommendation regarding surface water use. Mr. Cummings noted that the water quality issues would be addressed in the AUAR study. . Respectfully submitted Sharon Baker Recording Secretary Mr. Liehr, p.m, seconded by Mr. Peterson 1 sin Mr. Liehr noted the membership roster included In the agenda packet indicates he is in his second term on the Board. He said the roster should be corrected as he has served more than two terms. moved to adjourn the meeting at 9 1 o . New b Ms. Peterson provided som~ /information on a shade for March 25-26. She said she would like the city to City designation and said she would be willing to take the tree inspector training. tree short course set move toward the Tree attend the course and Mr. Thomsen reported that most of the skating rinks were about done for the season. He also said that preparation of the McKusick area plan is under way, but there was nothing more to report at this time. Mr. Regarding the use of smowmobiles and four-wheelers taken as those uses come under existing city ordinances. Cummings had nothing new to report. no position The discussion concluded. with five members -- Mr. cummings, Mr. Peterson, Ms. Brown, Mr'. McGarry and Mr. Junker -- indicating they favored allowing docks. It was the consensus that allowing docks was more an issue of aesthetics. was . Mr McGarry pointed out the lake property is privately owned. Mr. Junker suggested that if docks are allowed, the length of the structures should be regulated. 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Phone (612) 430-6875 Parcel data current through: March 31, 1997 e Pioneer Park shelters and rock gardens Lily Lake - restroom doors, electric panels, arena windows receptacles Ramsey Grove - almost all the playground equipment has been torn apart Croixwood ballfield bases have been stolen and rock trash Parks damaged so far this year are Since the weather has been getting nicer, we are starting to get a lot of vandalism in our parks and town. I have talked to a lot of citizens who live next to some of our parks that are being vandalized and asked them to call the Police Department if they see anything going on. Most of them do not wish to get involved because they do not want their property vandalized. I will be talking to the Police Department to see if we can come up with some solutions and have it published in our local newspapers for a Town and Park Watch. . 5. O'Brien Field at Lily Lake will be getting a new back stop put in within the next two weeks. It was budgeted for this year 4. 3. Adult softball leagues start April 28 The Stillwater Eagles are buying the Parks Department a portable gas powered pressure washer to help cleanup all the graffiti in our parks. This is one item we can use because lot of our parks do not have water or electric. 2. 1. From April 3 to April 22, the Parks the downtown flood. At this time, I to the flooding as it is too early to tell Department have a total of 831 labor hours on do not have a damage cost to Lowell Park due I will keep you posted SUBJECT: Parks Tim Thomsen Parks Director Update for April 28 meeting FROM: . TO: Park and Recreation Board MEMO April 24 1997 e . I want the Park and Recreation Board to know that I researched and examined options to get a Disc Golf Course built at Neal Avenue and McKusick Road, as well as Croixwood. The City does not have enough usable land to build even a nine hole Disc Golf Course at this time As of April 24, 1997, there is not enough usable land that the City owns to install a Disk Golf Course on Neal Avenue and McKusick Road. After talking to the DNR and people designing this type of course, they told me that there was not enough land to even put in a nine hole course on the 13 acres that the City purchased. The reason being, the two streams that flow through the property are designated as trout waters and require a certain amount of setback. A copy of the letter from the DNR is attached. Last fall I took Klayton Eckles and Sue Fitzgerald to look at some park land in Croixwood to see if they thought it would be a good spot for disc golf. This land was east and west Northland. We all agreed that it looked good for Disc Golf so I contacted the designers of Disc Golf courses and asked them what they thought and requested them to look at the land. They told me that it was too close to the homeowners and that it would not work for Disc Golf. 7. Disc Golf UDdate: We should be receiving the soil test and prints back bids to get the wall rebuilt. We hope to begin this will keep you updated project sometime in soon to enable us to acquire June. I . 6. Pioneer Park UDdate: )N It is unknown if the site would require stoml water pondil1g areas. Willlhe sill: require parking areas? We would object to the direct discharge of storm water to Browns Creek or its tributaries. Infiltration basins should be utilized to eliminate discharge ofwann water containing fertilizers or pesticide residues :lnd impervious surface runoff. I~ fin; n"() )'If " XIK (/-oM-f)( TTY. ( ''-.11 Ux .~ ()~7 I,) e 5 It is I.IIlk:ncMn ifany facilities are planned or if an irrigation system would be needed. to activities that could adversely impact Browns Creek. 4. We would object The DNR would like to suggest oilier alternatives more compatible with the site. k Preserve the area as green space (leave the site as is). B. lncreased user access, Develop a trail system (boardwalk?) through the site with stream bank access for fishing. Iocluded could be possible stream habitat improvements and educational information on the value of the Brovms Creek watershed and stream. These alternatives would either maintn.in or improve the existing ecolo~..ica1 and educational values of the site. 3. It appears the entire site is within the Shoreland Area (300' from Lhc OHW). The proposed use would require a conditional use permit from Stillwater Township. Additional concerns are grading and filling in lhc shore impact zone (~ the building sClback distance) which is 100', as well as vegetative clearing wong the creek btulks. For zoning infonnation regarding the proposed project in the Shore1unu District please contact Stillwater Township (Mcg McMonigal at 476-6010) nnd Washington County HELM (Dennis O'Donnell at 430-6690). . 2 BrowT1,5 Creek and i!I. tributary from Long Lake (82-21) is on the Sile:. Both streams are designated as trout waters. Any activity below the ordinary high water (OHW) elevation, which alters the course, current or cross-section of protected waters or wetlands is under the jurisdiction of the Department of Natural Resources (DNR) and may require a DNR Protected Waters Pennit. The official OHW on watercourses by definition is the top of the bank. Please contact this office if there is a need to do a field determination of the official OHW, We have reviewed the pl"Oposal for a disc golf course that the City of Stillwater is considering at comer of McKusick Road (Hwy. 64) and Neal Road, and have the following comments. 1 the southwest Dear Mr. Eckles: Re; Mr. KlayWn Eckles City of Stillwater 216 North 4th Street Stillwater, MN 35082 Proposed Disc Golf Course on Brov.ns Creek ... . August 28. 996 Minnesota Departnlent of Natural Resources Metro Waters - 120'0 Warner Road, St. Paul. MN 55106-6793 Telephone: (612) 772-7910 Fax: (612) 772-7977 >SENT BY: DNR 8-29-96 8:35AM 61 27727573 => 6124390456 #2/3 e Browns Creek Watershed Management Orgnnu...ntion U.S. Army Corps ofEnginecrs~ Ralph Augustin Washington Soil & Water Conservation District, Mark Donctlx Washington County HELM, Dennis Q'DoIUleU Stillwater Township, Meg McMowgnl c: P AMUkl The comments in this letter address DNR - Division of Waters jurisdictional matters and concerns. These comments should not be construed as DNR support or lack thereof for it particular project. '. d. Construction activities which disturb five acres of land, or more, are required to apply fOf a stonn water permit from the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency (Dan SullivM @ 612l296~ 7219). c. Ifconstruction involves dewatering in excess of 10,000 gallons per day or 1 million gallons per year, a DNR Appropriation Permit is needed. You are advised that it typically takes approximately 60 days to prO(:css the pennit applicntion. b. Appropriate erosion control measures should be taken during the construction period The Minnesota Constnlction Site Erosion and Sediment Control Planning Handbook (Board of Water &. Soil Resources and Association of Metropolitan and Soil and Water ConservUlion Districts) guidelines, or tlleir equivalent, should be followed. 7, u. The i" following comments are general and apply to all proposed developments. 6, There may be wetlands on the site tbat. are noL under DNR jurisdiction. The U.S. Anny Corps of Engineers should be consulted regarding pertinent federal regulations for activities in wetlands. In addhion, impaclS to those wetlands should be evalua~ by the ciLy in accordance with the MinneSC,lLa Wetlands Act of 1991. . Mr. KJayton Eckles City or Stillwater August 28, 1996 Page 2 .......1 . Mr. Junker referred to other parks-related issues that w need to be addressed in the not-too-distant future -- the Aiple property, planning for the annexation area. What the Park Board is asking is for help to allow the Board to address the major issues that will be coming up, he said. Mr. Peterson noted that Mr. Thomsen does an excellent job in the day-to- day operation of the department. He suggested what the Park Board is missing is direction and guidance and being kept informed of issues that should be central to the role of the Park Board -- issues such as land dedication vs. fees in new developments, ways to utilize city-owned land around Long Lake, for example. Mr. Liehr said what's missing is the kind of perspective Planner Sue Fitzgerald provided for the Board which is why the Board has asked that she be in attendance at meetings. j ion f rk B Mr. Kriesel and Mr. asked members what type what is missing in the current arrangement. ( E Eckles were present for the discussion. Mr. Kriesel of assistance the Board needs from the City and .. Ms. Amrein asked for a clarification of the identify of Mr. McKnight referred to in the Old Business section of the minutes of Jan. 27. Jim McKnight is the head of the Stillwater Water Department. Mr. Liehr, seconded by Mr. Peterson, moved approval of the minutes of Jan. 27 1997, as amended; all in favor. Mr. Junker called the meeting to order at 7 1 o p.m. Absent: Ken Meister and Steve Wolff Tim Thomsen, Parks Director; City Coordinator City Engineer Klayton Eckles Others Nile Kriese David Junker, chairperson Linda Amrein (8:40), Nancy Brown, Rich Cummings, AI Liehr, Rob McGarry, Del Peterson, Leah Peterson, and Mike Polehna (8:40) . J" ~ Present: PARKS AND RECREATION BOARD Feb. 24, 1997 . Mr. Junker opened the discussion by saying the intent was not to formalize a position, rather it was to come to some type of consensus as a board before meeting with the Planning Commission. He also noted that there are major concerns regarding water runoff/water quality that are beyond the j Mr. Junker thanked members for their attendance at the hearing. Since the hearing, additional correspondence was received from Jon Engelking and Bob and Janet Meisterling; the Meisterlings spoke in favor of allowing small motors for pontoons, etc. Mr. Cummings, seconded by Mr. Liehr, moved to direct city staff to make a recommendation to the City Council that Ms. Fitzgerald be assigned to work with the Park Board and that function be included in the position's job description. Motion passed unanimously. Mr. Peterson asked that the Park Board be notified of the Council's action on the request. . After a lengthy discussion, it was agreed that Mr. Kriesel and Mr. Eckles would talk with Steve Russell, Community Development Director/Planning Department head, about assigning Ms Fitzgerald to work with the Park Board. Mr. McGarry said the real need is for more communication and being kept informed and involved in planning issues that impact parks. Mr. Peterson said the Board is not asking for another person, but suggested that perhaps working with the Park Board should be included in the planner's job description. Mr. Cummings suggested the position could be structured so that SO percent of Ms. Fitzgerald's time could be devoted to parks issues. Mr. Eckles said SO percent would be "pushing it" regarding the need for another planning person. Mr. Eckles noted that if Ms. Fitzgerald is going to be doing more than just attending Park Board meetings, it could impact the Planning Department staff needs. Mr. Cummings suggested that the missing ingredient is that of planning/administration. He said he could envision Ms Fitzgerald as that person. parks being . Mr. Polehna said the City and Park Board should and taking a proactive approach to long-term like the city of Woodbury has done. be putting plans together park and recreation issues, . There was a discussion about allowing docks. Mr. Liehr said he favored not allowing docks as they affect the aesthetics of the lake. Mr. Cummings said if the desire is to preserve the wooded shoreline, docks shouldn't be allowed as property owners probably would cut trees to the lakeshore. Ms. Brown said her concern was with the number of docks. Regarding hours of use, the consensus discussions was sunrise to sunset. consensus was safety, erosion, to bring Mr Junker said allowing 10 hp motors or less could ultimately be a recommendation for not allowing motors at all or allowing only electric motors. He said 1 0 or less is a good starting point for discussions with the Planning Commission. He reiterated that members were not being asked to make a final decision on a recommended use at this time. The to allow motors of 10 hp or less, citing concerns regarding noise, etc. to Plannmg Commission . Mr. McGarry noted the problem with allowing motors on Lily Lake is the public access at the lake; there is no public launching area on Long Lake. Mr. Thomsen noted there was a "big commotion" when the city moved to disallow the use of gas-powered motors from Lily Lake, but he said people learned to live with that regulation. Mr. Thomsen suggested the Board might want to consider having regulations consistent on all lakes in the city. Mr. Polehna agreed it would be easier to enforce speed limits. to regUlate the size of motors than Ms. Peterson noted that according to state statute there restriction for persons operating a motor of 25 hp or less; she annexation will put more population pressure on the lake Mr responded that safety is an issue on any lake. is no age also noted Peterson Mr. Junker suggested a starting point of allowing the use of motors hp or less. A 1 0 hp motor is sufficient for pontoons, which most favored allowing. of 10 members . scope of the Park Board and should not be considered n making a recommendation regarding surface water use. Mr. Cummings noted that the water quality issues would be addressed in the AUAR study. ~ Respectfully submitted Sharon Baker Recording Secretary Mr. Liehr, p.m. seconded by Mr. 1 in Mr. Liehr noted the membership roster included In the agenda packet indicates he is in his second term on the Board. He said the roster should be corrected as he has served more than two terms Peterson, moved to adjourn the meeting at 9 1 o . New Ms. Peterson provided some information on a shade for March 25-26. She said she would like the city to City designation and said she would be willing to take the tree inspector training. tree short course set move toward the Tree attend the course and Mr. Thomsen reported that most of the skating rinks were about done for the season. He also said that preparation of the McKusick area plan is under way, but there was nothing more to report at this time. Regarding the use of smowmobiles and four-wheelers taken as those uses come under existing city ordinances. Mr. Cummings had nothing new to report. no position The discussion concluded with five members Mr. Cummings, Mr. Peterson, Ms. Brown, Mr. McGarry and Mr. Junker -- ndicating they favored allowing docks. It was the consensus that allowing docks was more an issue of aesthetics. was . ~ Mr. McGarry pointed out the lake property is privately owned. Mr. Junker suggested that if docks are allowed, the length of the structures should be regulated. Ms. Brown suggested that people who already have docks on the lake might sue the city if docks are disallowed.