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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1997-12-17 Joint Board MINJoint Planning Board/Planning Commission Public meeting Dec. 17, 1997 Joint Planning Board Members Present: David Johnson, chair; David Francis; Terry Zoller Planning Commission Members Present: Jerry Fontaine, chair; Glenna Bealka; Russ Hultman, Darwin Wald, Tom Weidner and Terry Zoller (member of both bodies) Mr. Fontaine called the meeting to order at 7:10 p.m. and introduced Joint Planning Board/Planning Commission members in attendance. Mr. Russell reviewed the process to date, including amending the city's Comprehensive Plan, the orderly annexation agreement between the city of Stillwater and Stillwater Township; and the AUAR review of the annexation area. He said the proposed development plans are consistent with the Comprehensive Plan in all major areas. The plans have been reviewed by the city's Park and Recreation Board. Marc Putnam reviewed the development plans for Liberty on the Lake (Newman property). He talked briefly of housing types, open space/parks, density, setbacks, and the 6.2-acre commercial site. He stated the developers would like to take advantage of the ordinance allowing accessory structures. He also stated that the developers would provide for 280 percent reforestation. Dan Herbst reviewed the development plans for Legends of Stillwater (Staloch property). He said the intent is to construct 156 housing Q?''?@9/afl@f a period of three years; traditional housing design would be encouraged. Park/open space makes up 22 percent of the development. Forty significant trees which would be lost will be replaced with 470, he said. He also briefly addressed plans for a trail system. Roger Tomten of Tomten Environmental Design reviewed goals in the city's Comprehensive Plan and outlined some draft design guidelines relating to parks, streetscapes, intersections, residential building guidelines, building facades, residential garages, setbacks and landscaping. Glen Van Wormer, SHE, reviewed traffic/circulation. He stated that traffic concerns had been addressed extensively. Specifically, he reviewed plans for 62nd and 72nd streets, access from County Road 15 and County Road 12, and the access to the new elementary school. He also addressed internal traffic circulation and the proposed width of roadways. Joe Lux, Washington County public works, said there is some concern regarding the proximity of the school entrance to the Highways 15/12 intersection where a traffic light might be needed in the future. In general, Mr. Lux stated most traffic concerns had been pretty well met. Klayton Eckles, city of Stillwater engineer, explained plans for extension of water/sewer to the area. He stated there are some concerns regarding the internal storm sewer plans which may require some redesign. He stated he had just started the review of the grading plans. Sherrie Buss of Bonestroo, Rosene, Anderlik gave a brief overview of the AUAR and mitigation plan. She listed several areas of concern. The amount of impervious surface is of concern. A 1 significant issue, she said, is the requirement for a forest protection plan; the developers have not yet provided such a plan. Also she said it is the recommendation that native species be used to replace vegetation that is lost; she noted the plans for the Liberty on the Lake development list some aggressive, exotic species which would be contrary to the AUAR recommendations. Also she said, the AUAR recommends a 25-50' buffer along the lakeshore to protect from runoff. It is also recommended that planting along ponding areas mimic natural wetlands. Molly Shodeen of the Department of Natural Resources stated the plans need to be reviewed further for compliance with the state density/setback requirements for shoreline developments. She noted that ancillary structures above garages, which would be permitted according to the draft design guidelines, would be considered additional dwelling unit according to DNR standards. She stated she needed to spend more time reviewing the plans with Mr. Russell and the developers. Laurie Maher, chair of the Friends of Long Lake Association, listed several goals/concerns: keeping as much of the oak forest preserved as possible; identification of wetlands; and keeping the trail system as unobtrusive as possible. Ned Gordon, 2970 Marine Circle, questioned whether the walk-outs proposed in the Liberty on the Lake development would be in compliance with the city's bluffland ordinance; whether there has been any consideration given to measuring the volume of runoff vs. the rate of runoff to Long Lake; and whether the proposed park dedications meets the city's requirements. Mr. Francis asked about the DNR's 86&bW0Eegarding compliance with the shoreline development requirements. It was noted that Mr. Russell will meet with the DNR and developers to adress that concern. Mr. Francis noted that the zoning amendment for the annexation area will include shoreland requirements and must be approved by the Joint Board. Mr. Francis also asked if there are any alternatives to the proposed traffic circle/turnaround entrance to the elementary school. Mr. Lux stated it is the proximity of the traffic circle to the Highway 12/15 stop sign that is of concern. Homer Tompkins, one of the Liberty on the Lake developers, suggested another meeting may be needed regarding the traffic circle. Mr. Tompkins also stated he would like to meet with staff and Mr. Tomten regarding the draft design guidelines. David Johnson said he was in favor of the traffic circle concept and made a suggestion regarding the stacking of buses in the morning. Mr. Johnson asked about runoff to the north of the development. Mr. Eckles said a small volume will go north from the school, most will come through Long Lake, as recommended by the AUAR. Tom Weidner asked about the volume increase vs. rate of runof£ An engineer from the Cudd developers addressed the proposed cfs. Ms. Maher asked about plans for 72"a Street. Mr. Van Wormer explained that the street would not be a major carrier for through traffic. 2 Mr. Fontaine reviewed tentative dates for future actions on the development plans. Tentative dates include a public hearing on Jan. 19 conducted by the Planning Commission, a Jan. 28 meeting of the Joint Planning Board, with the plans going to the City Council on Feb. 3. Mr. Wald, seconded by Mr. Hultman, moved to adjourn the meeting at 10 p.m. Respectfully submitted, Sharon Baker Recording Secretary 06/01 /2006 3