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PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES
October 25, 2023
REGULAR MEETING
Chairman Dybvig called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
7:00 P.M.
Present: Chairman Dybvig, Commissioners Cox (remotely), Hoffman, North, Steinwall,
Swanson, Councilmember Odebrecht
Absent: None
Staff: Community Development Director Gladhill, Planning Manager Gutknecht
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Possible approval of minutes of September 27, 2023 regular meeting
Motion by Councilmember Odebrecht, seconded by Commissioner North, to approve the minutes
of the September 27, 2023 meeting. Motion passed 5-2 with Commissioners Hoffman and
Swanson abstaining.
OPEN FORUM
Lynn Renee, 1118 Linden Street, questioned the Comprehensive Plan 2040 in the Housing
Section, page 17, where it states "Woodbury officials also take part in planning." Chairman
Dybvig asked staff to look into it and correct it if necessary.
CONSENT AGENDA
Adopting Findings of Denial for the Variance Request to Yard Setbacks for Exterior
Balconies at Chapel Hill Flats, 107 3rd Street North (Landucci Construction) -
Resolution PC2023-25
Motion by Commissioner Steinwall, seconded by Commissioner North, to adopt the Consent
Agenda. All in favor.
UNFINISHED BUSINESS
Case No. CD 2023-54: Variance to Impervious Surface for the construction of an accessory
building (detached garage) located at 617 Wilkins Street West
Assistant Planner Gutknecht explained that on September 27, 2023, the Planning Commission
tabled action on the Variance request to determine if there was existing impervious surface
that could be removed from the property that would negate the need for the Variance. Staff
determined that the existing structural impervious surface on site today is 16.4% (1,037
square feet) not including the shed. The addition of a 576 detached garage would continue to
increase the total structural impervious surface to 25.4% of coverage. Staff has extended the
initial 60-day review deadline of November 7, 2023 an additional 60 days to January 6, 2024 to
accommodate any further review. The applicant has stated they've removed portions of
concrete impervious surface and will remove a portion of the shed that may be on their
property. Further, the applicant outlines that City Code does not specify rounding principles
when calculating impervious surface percentage. However, City Code states 25% as the
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maximum amount and staff would interpret any amount over to be inconsistent with City
Code, but is open to the Planning Commission's interpretation of this point. Staff continues to
recommend denial of the Variance application and finds the plight outlined by the landowner
does not satisfy the required practical difficulty requirements.
Councilmember Odebrecht explained the Planning Commission's job is to interpret and follow
the rules set by City governing bodies. He stated that "practical difficulties" is a tricky term that
has a legal meaning. He does not think the Variance request meets the practical difficulty test.
Bryce Hanson, 617 Wilkins Street West, applicant, thanked the Commission for considering the
case thoughtfully.
Danette Langness, the applicant's stepmother, said she understands Councilmember
Odebrecht's point in that it doesn't meet the practical difficulties test, but if the Commission
proceeds on that basis, variances would never be approved.
Councilmember Odebrecht countered that he has a heart for the request, but variances are a
legal "forgiveness" for not following the law.
Chairman Dybvig added that what's required to approve a variance is that there's some
abnormality of that property that prohibits the property owner from complying with the law.
Ms. Langness asked if the Commission has approved any impervious surface coverage
variances in the past 36 months.
Chairman Dybvig answered there were a couple of developments where houses were designed
with sliding glass doors on the second floor, and then the lots were built to the 25% threshold
so that adding a deck, which seemed reasonable, would put them over the threshold. It was a
mistake that was probably made by staff when those developments were initially approved
and there was probably an expectation that they would be allowed to have some sort of deck.
Ms. Langness said this is disheartening. She disagreed with the Commission's findings, adding
that black letter law variances are not precedential and they are discretionary. More good than
harm would come of this variance in that the applicant would be able to better control the
stormwater. She is adamant that this is ripe for approval.
Motion by Commissioner Steinwall, seconded by Commissioner Hoffman, to deny Case No. CD
2023-54, Variance to Impervious Surface for the construction of an accessory building (detached
garage) and direct staff to bring a resolution to the November Commission meeting adopting
written findings stating that the applicant failed to meet the practical difficulties test. All in favor.
Mr. Gladhill noted the applicant has ten days to file an appeal to be heard by the City Council.
PUBLIC HEARINGS
Case No. CD 2023-04: Sundance Stillwater Zoning Map Amendment, Preliminary Plat and Final
Plat (12100 Block of 80th Street North)
Mr. Gladhill noted that the Comprehensive Plan for 2040 guides this site as medium density
residential, but the City has not finished amending the zoning map to match the long term
vision, so the proposal requires a zoning map amendment. Just because the Comp Plan
designates medium density residential doesn't mean that the City must approve this particular
medium density residential project. The proposal applies the same zoning district that is
across the street on the north side of 80th Street (referred to as Boutwell Road). There are five
parcels in this project. Staff believes Cove Townhouse Residential is an appropriate zoning
district to comply with the Comp Plan though not the only zoning district that could be used
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here. If the Commission does not want to move forward today, staff can reevaluate the Comp
Plan or further research whether this medium density residential district is appropriate.
Comments from Washington County were added to the agenda packet today. In an ideal world
there would be better connectivity between this project and developable area to the south,
however working against that is preservation of a significant wetland complex that is a feeder
to Brown's Creek. The goal is to always try to avoid impacts to wetland.
Mr. Gutknecht reviewed the plat proposal. The proposed development is a 179-unit townhome
development at the southeast intersection of Manning Avenue and 80th Street North. It
includes 17 apartment buildings, a clubhouse, and maintenance building. All of the proposed
residential buildings comply with the maximum massing standards and the maximum height
of two and a half stories, not to exceed 35 feet. All setback requirements appear to have been
met except one: there appears to be a 35-foot setback between the maintenance building and
an 8-unit residential building where 40 feet is required. Staff recommends that the site map be
updated to reflect a compliant distance of 40 feet. A traffic study by a traffic engineer was
provided which concluded that while the traffic level will increase, overall acceptable levels at
intersections surrounding the proposal would not drop below acceptable levels. The proposed
parking complies with standards outlined for multi -family units/apartments, with 2.3 stalls
per unit, and 60 guest stalls. The plan indicates that 349 trees will be removed which is over
the allowed 35% threshold; the applicant has provided a Tree Replacement Plan as required;
staff suggests making this a condition of approval. It appears the proposal is consistent with
wetland buffer standards; the Management Plan which requires a 50 foot buffer has been met.
Staff recommends that as a conditional of approval, the applicant shall submit plans to Brown's
Creek Watershed District for review. Based on guidance of the Comprehensive Plan, staff
recommends approval of the request as presented, with conditions of approval as outlined in
the staff report and resolution. He added that City Code requires formal approval from both
the Planning Commission and City Council as it relates to the Plat approval.
Noting that the preliminary plat references a conservation easement, Commissioner Steinwall
asked if it should be revised to remove that term and say wetland buffer.
Mr. Gladhill replied there is a wetland setback but staff should clarify if there's an expectation
that a conservation easement be recorded.
Applicant Ryan Sailer, Vice President of Development, Timberland Partners, explained the site
plan for 179 units with a mix of 1, 2, 3 bedroom units, on 22 1/2 acres, net density of 7.95. This
is lower density than the current development across the street. He described the units, the
amenities available to tenants, typical rents, and renter profiles. He emphasized the firm's
commitment to building neighborhoods that the community can be proud of.
John Gronhovd, Alliant Engineering, stated the conservation easement was put on the plat with
the understanding that was a requirement from the Watershed District. There may have been
other options.
Mr. Gladhill said staff will work to verify that before the proposal goes to the City Council.
Commissioner Cox remarked on the single car garages and a note from Stillwater Public Works
Director Sanders about street widths and parking. Assuming tenants are young couples who
likely have more than one car, she asked if there will be on -street parking or a need to
eliminate a sidewalk as Mr. Sanders discussed.
Mr. Sailer replied that the one bedroom units typically have one garage stall, the two bedroom
units have one or two stalls. He believes the development is overparked. Typically all the
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parking is contained within the garages or driveways. They have discussed no parking signs on
streets to facilitate snow removal.
Mr. Gladhill added that he, Mr. Sanders and Planning Manager Gutknecht met with the
developer earlier to review those comments, and they feel comfortable with the parking bays
as proposed throughout the project. Ideally there would be 25 foot long driveways, however
they are 20 feet which meets code, and those driveways are largely on the private roadway
spurs, not on the public road. They also talked about the responsibility of the property owner
for sidewalk snow removal and where the City's responsibility ends with on -street snow
removal. They are meeting fire code requirements for restricted parking based on lot width. He
stated that the City Engineer said it seems acceptable. Police are on board with the Fire
Marshall's comments, as long those street parking standards can be enforced and the
developer is required to install the signs. There is a similar situation in Liberty and Legends
with narrow streets, parking bays and restricted parking.
Commissioner Steinwall asked about this afternoon's changes in the site plan.
Mr. Gladhill stated that the developer is now looking at a second access on the east side.
Earlier, the cul de sac diameter was too small and the City's public safety team was not excited
about the second access being for emergency vehicles only. So the developer eliminated the cul
de sac, extended the road, swung it back up to meet with 80th Street, and staff thinks it is
acceptable at this time.
Chairman Dybvig opened the public hearing.
Abby Ulrich, Abercrombie Lane in the Settler's Glen neighborhood across the 80th Street,
spoke against the proposal. She voiced concern about construction disruptions, higher traffic
volumes, displacement of wildlife and the loss of trees. She would prefer single family homes.
Pam Wells,12121 80th Street North, stated when Settler's Glen was proposed across the street
from her, she thought it was going to be a problem. It hasn't been a problem at all and there's
hardly that much traffic.
Lynn Renee, 1118 Linden Street West, stated the Comp Plan aims to provide options for
seniors for whom single level living is important. However for the smallest unit available,
income needs to be roughly $80,000 in order to comfortably afford the units. Also the Comp
Plan talks about the goal of putting properties near parks and she is not sure how close parks
are to that area.
Jim Jutz, 3708 Abercrombie Lane, echoed concerns about parking and pricing of the units.
Having been an original owner at Lodges of Settler's Glen for 20 years, he said site parking is a
challenge. In winter because of snow removal and other restrictions, parking becomes a bigger
issue. With 179 units with an average household size of 2.3, there is a great chance of having
households with three vehicles. There is not enough parking for households plus guests.
Stillwater Police and Fire were supposed to help his area address their parking violations, but
seem to have a deaf ear. When there is not enough parking and restricted fire lanes, there is a
risk of public safety vehicles not getting through. Additionally, considering the Stillwater
average household income of $127,000, a three bedroom, $42,000/year rental is "well over the
23% that is recommended for housing."
Councilmember Odebrecht asked Mr. Jutz to email him regarding the issues in his area.
Michael Dekker, 12055 80th Street North, one of the sellers, said for the last nine years he has
been looking for a developer to propose a development that met the City's guidelines. The
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proposed development is at the low end of density guidelines and he would be quite upset if
the proposal were rejected on grounds of density being too high given that he has turned down
many offers from developers who wanted to put in 3, 4, 5 per acre developments. Regarding
concerns about pricing, he reminded the Commission that all market rate housing increases
affordability of all housing as people move into the new housing and out of old housing,
making it available for others. If the City is concerned about affordability, it needs more
housing, not less, and should ask the developer to increase the density, not lower it or lower
the prices.
Greg Davis, 1545 Amundson Lane, voiced concerns about the reasoning behind the
development. He fails to see how it benefits the community. He feels concerns brought up
regarding the cost per unit are valid. The applicant mentioned 10% of units will have children -
that's a low number, is it appropriate? It feels like development may be too focused on a
particular demographic and not the community as a whole. While Stillwater needs more
housing, he doesn't know if this is actually good for the entire community.
Chairman Dybvig closed the public hearing.
Commissioner Hoffman said he sympathizes with the comments but this is actually lower
density than the development to the north. A lot of thought has gone into the proposal. There is
a housing need in Stillwater for market rate apartments. He too is concerned about tree
replacement and wetland impacts. There is very little developable land left and the Comp Plan
calls for this type of development. He feels the developer has done a good job addressing the
concerns over the past nine months. Changing to two entrances will alleviate some of the
traffic at Abercrombie and 80th.
Commissioner Steinwall agreed, adding that people like this developer and others make
decisions based on the Comp Plan. The City spent a lot of time on the Comp Plan before it was
adopted. The requested zoning map change is consistent and appropriate. She supports
recommending the zoning map amendment to the City Council.
Motion by Commissioner Steinwall, seconded by Commissioner Swanson, to recommend that the
City Council approve Case No. CD 2023-04, Zoning Map Amendment to CTHR for Sundance
Stillwater.
Commissioner North agreed with several of the Commissioners' comments in terms of tree
replacement and conservation easement. Parking is a consideration but it seems this is
consistent with the Comp Plan so he supports the zoning change.
Councilmember Odebrecht said in this case he feels the City got the Comp Plan wrong. This
development does not fit in with the neighborhood as evidenced by what he sees as a severe
parking deficiency. Parking drives an enormous amount of decision making. A three -bedroom
will have at least two cars, maybe three. He would like to revisit the Comp Plan before
considering a zoning amendment.
Commissioner Cox stated this type of housing would have been perfect for her family and for
families who would like to come into the Stillwater community. She supports it.
Chairman Dybvig remarked the Comp Plan probably has it right here, this is the type of
housing needed in these areas. He concurred that parking is challenging but people make
decisions as to where they live based on some of these things as well.
Motion passed 6-1 with Councilmember Odebrecht voting nay.
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Regarding the concerns expressed, Mr. Gladhill pointed out for the record, there is a section of
City Code dealing with allowed hours of construction, and a traffic study has been done. Staff
will reach out to Washington County on timing of the signal at 80th and Manning. There is a
tree preservation plan and the large trees on the perimeter are mostly preserved. A better trail
connection to 80th Street is being discussed, and there is a park in the near vicinity on the
other side of the Public Works campus. He also stated for the record, the motion should include
the revised version that eliminates the cul de sac and connects a second access to 80th Street
and the developer will have to correct all the plans that go along with that - this should be a
condition of approval.
Motion by Commissioner Cox, seconded by Commissioner Hoffman, to adopt Resolution 2023-
26, Resolution Approving a Preliminary and Final Plat for Sundance Stillwater, with the revised
version that shows two exits and entrances on 80th Street and no cul de sac. Motion passed 6-1
with Councilmember Odebrecht voting nay.
Mr. Gladhill noted that this is the first step and there will be additional meetings. On November
8 (rescheduled Council meeting date), the City Council probably will have first reading of the
ordinance related to the zoning map - it will not be a public hearing. Another public hearing
will be held either in late November or early December.
NEW BUSINESS
There was no new business.
DISCUSSION
Commissioner Steinwall asked about upcoming meeting dates, and Mr. Gladhill answered the
meetings are rescheduled for November 15 and December 20 due to the holidays.
FYI STAFF UPDATES
Mr. Gladhill noted there are still staff vacancies. A new assistant planner will start November 7.
ADJOURNMENT
Motion by Councilmember Odebrecht, seconded by Commissioner Hoffman, to adjourn the
meeting at 8:29 p.m. All in favor. 4�- 1
Jo Dybvig, Chair
ATTEST:
Tim ladhil1, Community Development Director
Resolution PC2023-25, Resolution Adopting Written Findings for Denial of a Variance at
107 3rd St N (City Project No. CD 2022-19), Stillwater, Minnesota, Washington
County
Resolution 2023-26, Resolution Approving a Preliminary and Final Plat for Sundance
Stillwater
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